This case had been absolutely harrowing for all involved.
Those poor babies and their families.
Words cannot describe the depths of cruelty at present here. My first child was born 6 weeks early. They are so delicate and helpless.
This vermin Lucy Letby deserves to rot
Death penalty is the only punishment of worth here, what is the point of wasting tax payers money on a monster like this.
Apparently the death penalty is actually more expensive than alternative means of punishment believe it or not. The idea that it saves tax payers money isn't actually true.
From experience of similar exchanges in the past, the kind of people who engage in the knee-jerk call for the implementation of the death penalty after cases like this are also the kind of people who aren't too keen on the lengthy appeals process (that is the bulk of the cost of a US capital punishment sentence), and may even be of the "take them out back, shoot them in the head and charge the family for the bullet" ilk.
Been said already numerous times
In the USA the death penalty is more expensive than life without parole
Anyone else get arrested?
Also the justice system can get it wrong or deliberately be perverted like in the case of the Birmingham Six.
Ys that's why I hold out on deciding on guilt regardless of a jury decision beyond reasonable doubt , been too many mistakes in the past
Birmingham 6 ,Guildford 4 would be dead and probably forgotten
This case is not remotely like those miscarriages. You keep wanting to cast doubt. The evidence was clear and concise. She’s absolutely guilty.
Seems like you want to throw doubt based off her denying it and there not being clear video evidence of her killings.
do you believe that she was guilty beyond reasonable doubt?
They’re getting the satisfaction of voicing their pain and venting their feelings to the murderer of their child. Even if the murderer doesn’t care. But I don’t expect you to have any empathy for or sympathy with people you hold in contempt.
Absolutely agree. I believe there was a reluctance to look further into it in order to protect the "reputation" of the hospital.
I think that's pretty disgraceful tbh and if it happens with murder of children, it happens with low level things like theft of prescription medication, drug use and people unfit for their roles.
It's a terribly small minority granted. But this is why in this country, I think any health professional, guard, ambulance staff, teacher etc should be drug tested. I'm not saying in this case drugs played a role. But I'm talking on an accountability level.
In fairness, guards are quick to prosecute their own (as they should) and you read headlines of theft or drug use. However I think it's disturbing the only time the public hear about other scandals is through civil employment dealings . For example a nurse stealing drugs. And it only went public because of an employment hearing.
Absolutely no mention of reporting of theft to the guards etc. Which I would expect management to do. To be accountable in their roles as a publicly run organisation.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2023/0529/1386268-nurse-with-addiction-issue-loses-challenge-to-dismissal/
These cases show there is some level of accountability at least. However none mention reporting to the police. And I think it's the duty of management to do so.
Even if it's a slap on the wrist, that's fine. But I'm very much against most of these things being kept in house and rarely reported on. When professional standards are an issue and while it's a very small percent, shouldn't be kept under wraps.
You only have to look at the amount of people who've been exonerated in America since they re-introduced the death penalty to realise how bad an idea it is.
Innocence | Death Penalty Information Center
If Jequ0n doesn't have empathy for the families then neither does he have contempt. He is looking at this case through a clinical and rational lens. That can be jarring for some because of the nature of the crime and vulnerability of the victims. It goes against expressions of outrage and sadness which feels like a natural response. It isn't wrong, just different.
It does make you question who you can trust.
When you look at people like Ian Huntley he was always trouble.
However with Lucy Letby her friends can't seem to accept she did this they just seem to see there kind friend who adopted cats.
It makes you wonder were they very naive or could the same happen to any of us.
So you are proposing a judicial system with the death penalty where you know for sure that the guilty person is actually guilty?
People were adamant that the Guilford Four were 100% guilty and the judge made the comment that he felt it unfortunate that he couldn't give them the death penalty. I'm not saying that Letby is innocent but if you have the death penalty then it will apply to those who have been convicted of murder and you will get innocent people being killed.
Again, before you confuse my words with something else, I'm not saying that Letby is innocent of her crimes. However, you're sounding like Priti Patel here (whereas I'm in agreement with Hislop)...
Hislop absolutely destroyed here in this.
I never once mentioned any death penalty proposition.
The poster, kirk has several times tried to imply possible innocence here with Letby, and I was querying it. I was wondering was he in any way comparing the gross miscarriages of the pub bombings to her case.
1 innocent person put to death out of a billion is one too many.
No death penalty.
I misquoted you - post now edited
I don’t see any edited post
Maybe refresh your page - it's there!
I never mentioned or proposed any death penalty
I think posting getting confused: boards on the blink...
Ok, you meant to quote another poster.....sorted
These types are horrid ... made worse by the fact that someone with everything going for her like her resorts to this ... That said and done I do believe Lucy Letby ... and all that rest of those who resort to the murder of people esp innocents be they like her or those who join ISIS/Al Qaeda and the like ... are a product of the society they come out of in some way ...
What breeds people like these? ... Why does society not recognise people like these? ... What motivates people like these? ... And in the case of LL ... why didn't the hospital/doctors/other nurses notice anything strange about her? ... these are all questions that need an answer ... there is more guilty than LL herself ... clearly something inspired her ... usually it is some warped belief like Charles Manson helped along by either some cult, drugs or both ... in more recent times the radicalisation of young men by Al Qaeda and ISIS comes to mind ... WRT LL we need to know more about what influenced her and what type of evil got into her mind and ... more importantly ... from where so as it can be stopped ...
There are a lot of very dangerous individuals with extreme political and religious views working freely and holding their meetings ... they pitch on the lonely, the insecure, the vulnerable and they turn them into monsters who become killers ... these people deserve to be serving the same prison sentences as those they inspire to carry out the acts ...
Yes I believe she's guilty beyond reasonable doubt as found by a jury
I also believe she is guilty
However I don't know beyond all doubt that she is guilty
Miscarriages of justice occur and verdicts are overthrown on appeal
It happens
Hope that makes sense to you
You keep saying this, but your position doesn't have any logical sense.
Nobody can ever be sure about anything, we have a subjective universe and it's not possible to prove anything conclusively. We have to assume that the jury's decision is correct, that's the only reasonably logical thing to do here. Of course if other evidence materialises in future then views should be changed, but the working assumption has to be that that does not exist.
Surely, the fear of one's own career being damaged for 'blowing the whistle' could have been got around by making an anonymous phone call to police much earlier than when the police were actually contacted, couldn't it?
Correct
It's logical to assume guilt and I do
It's also logical to keep an open mind as to the tiny possibility of innocence
They can co-exist
Extremely likely guilty /Extremely unlikely innocent
Sense? Not really.
So you think this way for every conviction?
Or is this one a conviction you’d be less sure of? Would you require her to admit it for a beyond all doubt conviction?
of course, some convictions can have far far more overwhelming evidence to convict than others.
If she was in prison since 2018, any idea why she wasn't attacked by other prisoners already?
Very likely she was well-protected while in custody
well the presiding judge handed her down 14 whole life orders, so she's never getting out. she'll die in prison and i have no problem with that.
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