This case had been absolutely harrowing for all involved.
Those poor babies and their families.
Words cannot describe the depths of cruelty at present here. My first child was born 6 weeks early. They are so delicate and helpless.
This vermin Lucy Letby deserves to rot
You seem to have lack of empathy yourself, which I'm not saying as an insult - I think I've seen you acknowledge it before. But you're making the mistake of assuming that therefore you're right and everyone else is wrong. And that people actually feel the same way as you deep down. E.g. victim impact statements are just repetitive to YOU, therefore there's no value to them. You're also being fairly self congratulatory. But you're the outlier here. Emotions are valid. In a trial, they cannot come into proceedings - and that's how it should be, otherwise it wouldn't be a fair, impartial trial. But this is just an internet discussion, not a court of law. You're deciding that people expressing emotions are being insincere - but they're not at all. It's perfectly standard to be upset and angered by infanticide, whether knowing the family or not - it's more unusual not to be affected.
Talking about what terrible punishments Letby should receive? Not my style, but I understand the anger, and it is only talk... provoked by one of the worst things a person could do. Saying internet talk and multiple infanticides are comparable is preposterous and silly.
...and some realise, its just fcuking ignorant to treat fellow workers as such!
And where she’s going seems to be particularly comfortable, by all accounts. I am firmly anti capital punishment even for the most heinous crimes, but very pro whole life tarrifs.
If you’ve killed or tried to kill a child then that should be a permanent end to your participation in the world outside of a prison. irregardless of mitigating circumstances.
Agreed, many people have warped ideas of what "bullying" is, and believe that it includes being asked to do your job, or being closely supervised. Others have copped that it is a very effective way to get supervisors to leave them alone.
Ok, delete that. How long you think she should be locked up for?
i dont know what you mean by "fix herself".
There is a lot of emphasis on if she is mentally ill or has a personality disorder it's all about the perpetrator, for what it is worth I found an article by an expert that is far more nuanced and less dramatic, in the expert opinion, low self-esteem, anxiety, boredom, and extreme immaturity were factors not the only factors because she is disturbed in some way to do what she did.
The professional work environment and supervision is a conversation that needs to be had in the case, perhaps in nursing or any situation working with vulnerable people, it needs to revert to CNM1 and 2 being seen as figures of authority. If she had been adequately supervised, some of this might not have happened.
There was a case in the media last week and the individual concerned really did think his supervisor and manager were being 'mean' to him for disciplining him, he had no sense of understanding of what is expected in a professional working environment in this case he was dismissed before he could do any harm.
...an interesting take from grande.....
Oh, so you’re hoping she can fix herself, rejoin society and move on? How long do you think she should be locked up?
Are you replying to the right post?
i agree. she ought to be given some opportunity to do something positive with her life. she's a qualified nurse, so she has a much sought-after set of skills. further education should be a priority. at some future stage she may acknowledge the enormity of her actions and who knows in the future she may even show some remorse.
There are plenty of men who will have a fetish for someone like her. Just like male serial killers get sent underwear from female fans. Lots of twisted people out there.
She will, however, be at huge risk in prison, just like paedos are. Allows other scumbags to feel someone else is morally lower than them when they fixate on someone like her
You might as well say the same about the word "evil". Just feeds the monster narrative.
And no one is screaming psychopath and narcissist. People, including experts, are saying she displays typical traits. None of them are trying to excuse her behaviour or so she wasn't capable of making sound judgment
Bet she is already getting fan mail.
Probably from a few posters on boards too.
She's already been in jail for three years now so she's used to the routine. She may get attacked/ bullied etc but is say she'll be well looked after by prison authorities
Was there any mention of psychological/ psychiatric evaluations on her prior to the trial?
Would be interesting if the defence had ordered evaluations but couldn't use them in the trial as they would have been detrimental to their case
At 33?
People like to overlook that many disorders and conditions involve lack of empathy, but screaming “psychopath” or “narcissist” is just the popular thing to do because it feeds the monster narrative.
If professionals who assessed her have not commented then nobody following the case can make such a claim.
I agree that whatever is going on with her she is responsible for her actions and made a deliberate choice to carry them out.
Myra Hindley was 23 when convicted
She must be one of the youngest people in the UK to be locked away for the rest of their lives is she? I can't think of anyone younger than her who has received this sentence.. Hopefully she stays in there now. Long time to think about what she has done.
she will not be forgotten about. she will spawn a whole media circus/industry dedicated to detailing & examining every little aspect of her very mundane existence, movies, documentaries, books etc. it's already begun. as repugnant as it may be, her name will be discussed long after the victims.
tbh i cannot see how she is gonna survive in prison with hardened criminals. she looks so ordinary and harmless. her only hope will be if Butch Brenda from Block B 'er "befriends" her and takes her under her tattooed wings.
she now has a certain notoriety and to survive she needs to use that. whether she's in a fit state of mind to do so, remains to be seen. most other prisoners will want to harm her, but there are some who would love to have her as their buddy.
as with the outside, in prison there's someone for everyone ...
Depends on what part of the USA, most of America does not have the Death Penalty on their statute. The UK doesn't, for now, but even if they brought it back, they couldn't apply it retrospectively for this case.
The Death Penalty is wrong for even the worst of the worst, which this woman clearly is. A lifetime in jail is the right punishment in this case.
Several experts have said she clearly lacks any sense of empathy, a classic characteristic of psychopaths. This is not the same as saying she is not responsible for her actions. Someone can be mentally unwell and still responsible for their actions, as in this case.
You’re being far too “removed” here. And it comes across as cold, callous, empty. Nobody is heartbroken, but as people, many are sickened and disgusted and really feel for the poor families suffering due to this absolute scumbag. These feelings from people are completely natural.
Absolutely heartbreaking, couldn't finish reading some of the articles regarding this case. Hope she is tortured every day in prison until she dies.
Agree with some comments above. People saying "I hope she gets the help she deserves" are pathetic. She deserved nothing but pain every day of the rest of her miserable life.
At least I can discuss something without letting my emotions get the better of me, which cannot be said for a large number of posters who all claim to be heartbroken or raging over crimes that didn’t even affect them personally.
This is my hometown hospital. I was born there when it was called the West Cheshire infirmary. Then it merged with the Countess. My nieces were born there, as was my god-daughter. My mum has a rare blood group and was collected on several occasions by police car to go and do emergency donations for blue babies or whatever the terminology is.
She will burn in hell and will not survive the year. She now has a massive X painted on her back. While awful to say, I for one, will be delighted to see her found in pieces in her cell.
she is most probably in a state of denial & doesn't/cannot accept her own depravity. but that said she should have been made to attend. she did the crime now deal with the consequences.
Real smug "I guess I'm just a better person than others" energy coming from them.
Now I'm not into the idea of her being mistreated by the authorities because I don't think they should have such powers, but I hope she never gets out.
People who throw out all these self congratulating comments, playing devil's advocate, when we're talking about someone who murdered and attempted to murder several babies (and look at the unbearable pain this has caused) for "I'm holier than thou" optics... are just so callous.
Yes. She appears psychopathic and often the reactions of such criminals to victim impact statements is to seek to either undermine or deflect attention from their victims relatives " hogging the attention " , creating a scene , screaming and shouting .
This can be even more traumatic for relatives than having to speak to the court without the perpetrator present .
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