This case had been absolutely harrowing for all involved.
Those poor babies and their families.
Words cannot describe the depths of cruelty at present here. My first child was born 6 weeks early. They are so delicate and helpless.
This vermin Lucy Letby deserves to rot
People aren’t born evil. There are reasons why humans carry out acts that fall outside of the expected norm.
The point I was making was people’s feelings, not how courts of law view and treat murder.
As in how not all murders are perceived and viewed and thought of the same way.
just one simple example: drug dealing gangster A crosses drug dealing gangster B. B murders A. This will never illicit the same outrage and disgust and incredulity as what Letby did.
True.
I was more focusing on defenceless.
I'm being rather emotive. I'd be doing time if it was my child.
Well, they can become evil, or do evil things. What she did was pure evil. She actually said she was evil as well.
Most humans are capable of committing evil acts. Most of us do not because we are good.
That is true. But same sentence depending on the verdict.
Of course she said it because it would have gained her some sympathy points.
For me there is no difference between the victims/ targets
I'd beg to differ, I think there are people born that are wired differently such as a lack of ability to feel empathy, care for others, enjoy inflicting pain on vulnerable animals etc and this can manifest in some heinous acts if not controlled in some way. Some of these people come from loving stable families where there is no trauma involved.
The killing of Jamie Bulger was one that was committed by children and once they grew into adults they committed other heinous crimes.
I was being emotive. Which I try not to be.
Auld person has lived a life.
Also people should stop saying tiny babies. They're hardly coming out at 6 foot tall.
Society needs help, so keep her locked away till she carks it. No psychology expert can ever say…. Ok, we’ve done xyz, won’t happen again 100%…
shes been painted as a monster because that is precisely what she is. Bad, evil, scumbags exist… bad evil scumbags might have issues too but so be it 🤷♂️
twisted, evil and a monster because, she is…
That’s the usual popular narrative. It’s more convenient to believe that some people are “born evil” instead of a product of their environment. Do you think people chose to be different and not fit in? They don’t and grow up like strangers to their peers and family. It’s an incredibly lonely and isolating place to be when you know that you are different and there is nothing you can do about it.
That doesn’t mean that they do not have the choice over their actions and whether or not their will give into their impulses. Disorder or not makes no difference here.
Since you mentioned it. If you look at the Bulger case you can see that every person involved had a dysfunctional family background.
I agree on the “tiny baby” bit. It’s the inability to discuss a topic objectively
I like your post. Lonely and isolating as you're different. It resonates with me.
It could be environmental, ethnic, education, sexuality, race...anger I can understand, but not what that **** did!
Reminds me of talladega nights. "Baby jesus"
Before anyone says it, I'm not making light of the situation. It was horrendous. Just how I'm "wired".
Reading up on this;
"4pm: The prosecution case is that Letby injected a tiny amount of insulin into a bag of dextrose at some time between now and 1am on August 5. She will have known it would be fed to Baby F."
"Mr Johnson said: 'It's so sly, isn't it? Because it's going to be connected to the child at a time when the poisoner is not there'. This simultaneously diverts suspicion onto a colleague while deflecting it from herself."
Seems like she was on shift but not present ?
All seems very speculative above
Of course she is unusual. The fact that it's babies is exactly what makes it worse, but what makes it worse again is that these were the most vulnerable of infants due to their prematurity/size/complications.
They were tiny babies. Some weighing between 1lb-2lbs. That's what I take people to mean when they say tiny babies. They were so premature they were tiny.
It's not. They were being more emotive than me. Babies are tiny.
Like saying a child when they're 16/17.
such emotive language. see that's exactly what i'm talking about. babies die and are terminated every day of the week sadly.
Yes babies are tiny, but some, especially premature babies, are smaller again.
These cows are close, those are far away.
What does it matter. I'm just peed off with people trying to whine. Babies were murdered. Babies are small/tiny. Less of the Helen lovejoy.
These posters are looking for attention and likes.
Can’t lost the medical article link here, but I was just reading that in some cases of Muchausen/by proxy MRI has shown considerable pathological brain changes, so some cases may possibly have an organic basis to begin with.
No her choice was logical. There is a certain expectation of complications and subsequent death in her target group. She chose them knowing that it would be less likely to be noticed.
Yes, and not every day of the week do adults plan and connive to murder defenceless newborn babies.
And you’re annoyed because people dare to label this scumbag a monster, and annoyed because society dares to imprison her. And hoping she gets help n all that guff..
and puzzled that folks could use “emotive” language related to the murders of babies..huh?
Honestly, she was an idiot. These trends are spotted very quickly and easily.
Management should be gone as well. Seen so many times this "don't rock the boat" attitude. Should be jail time for them as well.
You've obviously overdosed on the #bekind kool aid. And I’m not being flippant here either.
At least 1/2 the people I encounter every day are not in their right mind. But Lucy Letbie had to work very hard at killing babies without leaving any evidence that that’s what she was doing. She was not acting on impulse. She was not overwhelmed in the moment by an uncontrollable evil urge to destroy. She had to plan in almost military fashion for each “rush”.
She had to formulate a persona first of all that wouldn’t draw any attention upon her. Quietly spoken. Adequately good at her job, not too good. Not poor that she would need monitoring. She had to be slipping under the radar.
Then she had to make sure there was no clinical evidence of her administering the murderous attention to the babies. In an environment (neo natal care) where every move you make has to be documented and initialed that’s not easy.
But she managed it.
If she’s crying today it’s because she got caught she’s being punished and she’ll never kill anyone again
So don’t ask us to #bekind to Lucy Letbie. She just wasn’t as clever as she thought she was.
I was brought up by a raging narcissist, raging being the operative word. They don’t think or feel as other people do, That’s for sure. To the extent that I’m met with disbelief or incomprehension when talking about the damage inflicted in the family through the years. No one can actually believe that their intent can be as malicious as it is. Only the family members of other narcissists can truly understand. There is no doubt in my mind that their brains are wired differently. “Hiding in plain sight” does come to mind. Or “Street angel, house devil”.
i'm not at all annoyed. i'm just stating an opinion. you seem very angry.
She got away with it for long enough to kill a good few. Too many for the short time period though so poor impulse control.
Not angry at all. Just calling out your guff. And yes, if it was a baby of mine that this scumbag murdered and you came out with that guff to me, I’d be very angry..
Thinking that choice is 'logical' just adds another layer to her being unusual. You've no idea why she chose to kill who she did. Either way the why is one thing the fact she did and that they were so small and so vulnerable and there to receive extra care to help them survive, not to mention her efforts to build some sort of rapport with some of the parents, makes the situation so horrendous and so unimaginably traumatic for those who have to live the rest of their lives in its wake.
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