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I didn't realise that there was so much money flowing through the Trust. In around €50m in 2022 alone.
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Apart from any irregularities which may or may not be found the numbers listed are staggering in themselves, 53million on over 2000 service users and tenants is circa 250k on each one. That's a scandal in itself.
Questions really need to be asked whether any of these bodies are actually providing a realistic return on the funds they receive, there seems to be no deep dive into their actual results. Everyone seems happy to just accept their word that they are while they clamour for more funding.
Well well, what do we have here 🙄
PMVT received more than €38m in state funding in 2021, which accounted for most of its €53m in income that year.
One senior figure said the possibility of the charity needing an immediate bailout has already been mentioned.
They can fock right off, not another cent of taxpayers money should be let anywhere near that organisation until it's been forensically examined
Homeless "charities" have become an industry in themselves. This is not a good thing for anyone.
The regulators would not be able to watch every cent they collect nor is it their job. They aren't their auditors.
The charities providing housing services shouldn't exist as councils should be doing that. Charities providing counselling shouldn't exist as the HSE should be doing that. Etc etc for virtually every charity that gets substantial state funding - they're doing something the state is failing to do, either by negligence or deliberately - having a charity provide it provides plausible deniability for failings.
For the current McVerry financial issues, it should be folded in to one of the other housing charities with only regular staff transferred; doubt that'll happen though. Or split between the various councils in the areas its serving.
I can take the flack so I'll say I never had faith in this outfit or a lot like it.
For a country our size we have way too many charities. Are the regulators really watching every cent they collect or what it's actually spent on?
Could it even be possible to do so. I'm guessing there aren't too many employed in the regulators office.
We had Console the suicide charity a. Ouple of years ago and all the shenanigans involved there
CEO's of these organisations being paid large sums and for what exactly.
And don't givee this C suite nonsense. For a certain type of person working and being paid by these groups is a very cushy number and for some am opportunity to feather their own nest.
It's a crying shame that charity within a society is being undermined.
You can't blame people for turning their backs on most of them. But that's precisely the kind of socio economic hole we've been thrust into.
It's not a good thing.
I currently rent in Ashtown. I have been outbid in the past by Peter McVerry for apartments closeby. Both times the price went 20% or more over the asking. Both properties are now problem properties for neighbours. Drugs and alcohol abuse rife and management company are aware but have done nothing. Peter McVerry van will appear occasionally with new furniture or mattresses but will not listen to neighbours concerns.While I commend the charity initiative to help others, I don't think their system is helping too many people. Unfortunately you normally hear about the one success story in the media so these charities can justify their work.
It is a very accurate portrayal of what happens. Vulnerable people are exploited by chuggers when they are the sort of people that charities should be looking after. It is what makes the whole chugging system so horrible.
He said that he enjoyed it the first week because he got to chat to good looking tourists, who never signed up, but used to chat to him.
By the second week he noticed that almost all of the actual signups were little old ladies probably on the OAP that he felt he guilted into and his heart just wasnt in it anymore.
He was conning people out of their money. Giving money via a chugger is the worst way to contribute to a charity.
A good few years ago my nephew got a job as a chugger for 2 weeks before he was let go for not making his sales.
If I remember correctly he told me he was getting €11 an hour at the time, but he had to make an average of 6 DD sign ups per day each week or he was let go. He made 6 in week opne and 2 in week 2 and was asked to go. He was sick of it at that point anyway. Said he just felt he was conning people out of their money.
110k is bugger all for a CEO of a medium sized property development firm, which is what these basically are.
110k would be great for a well qualified person with good experience and knowledge
I don't think you man would have been competing for any C suite role in the real world though based on his CV
You asked who would do it on a voluntary basis? I'd say a few well-off retirees would. It wouldn't be difficult to find one with the same level of credentials as your man apparently has
All done to keep the figures - and more importantly, the responsibility - on someone else's books.
That court cases that stopped the state blaming the patrons of schools for sexual abuse liability should have been enough to stop this charade dead though. But it wasn't somehow
The “charity NGO” scam is a runaway train in Ireland- all with taxpayer’s money on board, burned through at a rate of knots with very very questionable “outcomes”. For me, it’s one of the national scandals of our time
And huge amounts of mental health, disability care etc charities also doing the HSEs work.
The funding going to these gets thrown in to the "NGO" bucket in the over-simplistic reporting that makes up most Irish media; which feeds conspiracy theory loons thinking that that's all going to foreign aid charities etc.
De Paul are getting over €1m via the Council and the HSE to run a homeless hostel in one county. Can't be more exact cos I don't work in that area anymore.
Housing Charities are basically a product of the government farming out their responsibilities re: Housing and Homeless Accommodation to the private sector in the 2000s and 2010s. Ditto the Housing Association Sector (Cluid, CHI etc.)
The local councils admit they are aren’t experts when it comes to dealing with homelessness and they along HSE fund PMVT and the other homeless charities to the tune of millions a week because they call themselves the experts in dealing with homelessness.
They aren’t they just want to get their foot in the door and become landlords these charities want a revolving door of homelessness to keep that money flowing.
I am sure it will be much better run and better value when its take over by the HSE or housing department or various councils :)
I remember him saying that the government had judges sending people to jail to lower the homelessness figures. He’s Paul Murphy in a cassock.
McVerry was shouting recently that Ireland was a failed state.
Not so failed that it can’t give his charity 50m a year though
That’s exactly what happens in hostels , if you’re troublesome I.e. aggressive, not paying rent , not engaging around care plans you’ll be swapped between the likes of Focus , Simon etc
I doubt it.
I've had the opportunity to closely observe housing officers working for one of the big-five NGO non-profit housing organisations. They worked a LOT harder than any council worker I've ever seen.
Councils are restricted by in what they can do by the Public Finance Act etc -private organisations have a lot more leeway. Arguably we'd get better value by handing over all the council housing to a non-peofit organisation.
Operationally, it makes sense to have two organisations operating in each area: troublesome tenants can be evicted from one and housed by the as a "last resort": if there's only one organisation then eviction is meaningless because the same people have to rehouse you.
Especially those fuckers in the RNLI or ONE and definitely that shower DEBRA.
Guess what charity I work ?
“posting from my holiday home in the Caribbean “.
I know St. Francis Hospice, a small and excellent charity, and the other one, where you know and trust the people is worth donating to.
However, if you know a charity from their own publicity, like Trocaire, Concern, Goal, PMVT, Simon Community, SVDP etc., don't bother giving them anything.
Actually, it tells you an awful lot, you get a very clear idea of the commission that they pay the chuggers and others who collect money on their behalf. You are lucky if 60% of what you donate to a chugger makes it to the organisation, and after that, there is the money that is spent on administration, on lobbying and on marketing.
In some cases, it seems to me that the donated element is spent on administration, commission, lobbying and marketing, and it is only the government grants that actually get spent on what they should be spent on, presumably because the C&AG will come after them for that.
Wouldn't give a penny to any of the big charities.
The only reason for small-scale charities to exist would be to address specific localised issues that mightn’t fall under the remit of the larger ones. Otherwise the major charities should be amalgamated, maybe with branches dealing with different aspects, eg re homelessness, a few divisions addressing the needs of the different groups of clients in need of services.
Is it really any surprise? I suppose the only surprise is that it has taken this long for something like this to come out. The impression I get is that the charity sector is like wild west, lawless. How many scandals have we had now relating to all sorts of charities? As @ZookeeperDub pointed out above "how do people still give to charity" considering what has gone on.
For me it is has hard to give to the big charities or NGO's because you don't know where the money is going. I myself will only give to 2 charities, one is Saint Francis hospice and that is because of the care and compassion that they gave my dad in his final weeks, not only did they take care of him but I think they saved my mam as well because the only other option was having him at home and there is no way my mam or the rest of us, as the HSE wanted, have been able to take care of him 24x7. I think that would have taken so much out of my mam as well that she would have ended sick as well. The other charity is a small local Autism charity that was set up by a good friend and few other families who despite promises weren't getting the help off the HSE that their children needed so they got together and set up a charity and it has gone from strength to strength and you can see the work they do and the impact it has on the kids and their families. But they are the only ones and only because I can see the work going on and what they are doing where as with a lot of the other charities you don't see what they are doing and the money goes into a black hole. I also think the bigger a charity gets the more chance you get of the predators moving in and taking advantage.
Ya cant.
What happens is they get a few hundred people housed, and then they say they've no money and they need money otherwise those few hundred people are going to be out on the street. In that scenario, the government has no choice but to pay out, or face a very negative backlash
No government wants that.
Simply reviewing the accounts will tell you very little about the organisations operations, at best all it will do is give you a headache 😂
It won’t tell you for example, like the example you mentioned earlier, that staff aren’t conducting inspections in accordance with the organisations guidelines or policies (and there are many, many policies!).
The simple fact of the matter is that it’s pointless telling people not to donate when they will completely ignore your advice and donate anyway, sometimes in the region of thousands left to national charity organisations in their wills. They donate to local charities too at the same time, it’s not as though anyone has to decide between one or the other, just donate to whatever charity works for the causes they care about. How they perceive the operation being run and it’s effectiveness will undoubtedly determine whether or not they give to one charity over another.
I have spent some time looking at the accounts of major charities, and there is a huge amount of waste. If it is a big charity, don't donate. Give money to local charities instead, if you can't give time, but time is much more precious.
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