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Cannabis to be legalised 😁!

Vinny Cleary 25

….. In Germany.

What a wonderful step forward decriminalising what is essentially just a plant. It’d be great to see it happening here too but the pushback from the vintners would make the London Riots look like a minor misunderstanding.

Why is it ok (legally) to drink yourself silly but not smoke a plant?

QUOTE FROM ARTICLE: Instead, it said would launch a pilot project for a small number of licensed shops in some regions to test the effects of a commercial supply chain of recreational cannabis over five years.

For that, it will need to present separate legislation in a second phase.

Many countries in Europe have already legalised cannabis for limited medicinal purposes, including Germany since 2017. Others have decriminalised its general use.

Malta became the first European country to allow limited cultivation and possession of cannabis for personal use in late 2021.

The legislation presented today includes strict rules for growing the drug - cannabis clubs of up to 500 associates must have burglar-proof doors and windows, with greenhouses fenced off.

Associates will not be allowed to smoke the drug at the clubs or in the vicinity of schools, nurseries, playgrounds or sports grounds.

It is up to the regional governments of Germany's 16 states whether they allow such clubs.

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Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990254#Comment_120990254

So you are willing to risk teens and adults health on the off chance?

It's selfish because you don't like that your friends had issues and you feel bad. You're not thinking of the damage legalising could do for people you don't know.

Also, no one forced them to buy weed.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990145#Comment_120990145

Eh no potheads will not switch to weak legal stuff

They already have a high THC tolerance and need it strong

Anyway don't think u know anything pointless debating

Get Real

I'm all for legalising weed. Don't touch it myself but I view it the same as alcohol.

In saying that, legalisation isn't some golden problem solver. The routes it takes to get into the country, it's still coming in along with coke, heroin, benzos.

So it won't solve organised crime or violence imo. Those fellas will still be importing all the other stuff anyway. Imagine a pallet truck of various goods. It'll merely mean they don't make income off that particular good.

Also, it still doesn't stop teens accessing it same as they do now. There'll still be a grey market. There'll still be someone willing to make a few quid, buy it legitimately and sell it to young lads or have it moved by teenage lads on e-bikes same as now.

Look at Oxy in the states when it was being given out no bother in the 90s. Just because it was legal and easily accessible doesn't mean it solves teens accessing it, abuse, or solves the societal and psychological problems it can bring.

I'm in no way comparing weed to an opioid harm wise. Merely the same kind of human behaviour and market conditions.

So legalise it and accept there'll be adverse consequences to it. At least it's somewhat regulated and taking money off scroungers and dealers, but I think they'll just diversify into something else. If they haven't already.

The Nal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120988040#Comment_120988040

Most big cities in the states the same. I saw a lot of chilled out people causing no harm to anyone.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990236#Comment_120990236

Teens are drinking less now than ever before. Same for cigarettes

Here’s my post. Read it and tell me how I’m being selfish wanting teens lives not to be destroyed by the law against cannabis.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120989556#Comment_120989556

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990201#Comment_120990201

I didn't see your post but that is a selfish reason, you realise that right?

Like I asked earlier, legalising weed could increase the use amongst teens, we can't be 100% sure but are you willing to gamble with the health of teenagers?

Personally, I think legalising weed will further glamorise it, the same as alcohol is now. And the use of alcohol amongst teens is a massive issue. Weed use will increase amongst teens in my opinion but also with adults. And that will have negative results health wise also.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990181#Comment_120990181

Did you see my post about my two friends? That wasn’t the weed that messed up their lives, it was the law.

So no, not selfish grounds.

Right now the only weed available to teenagers is strong weed. I don’t agree with it, I don’t like it, but it is what it is.

Opponents of legalisation like yourself always cry about the effects legislation would have on the mental health of teens, even though it is inconclusive at best. You never, ever offer how to stop these kids getting it now. While it is is illegal.

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990169#Comment_120990169

Already answered. The horse has bolted on many and we see the results, why do you want to add more to them? For selfish reasons?

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990150#Comment_120990150

The same as with alcohol and look at the health issues we see with that.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990149#Comment_120990149

Answer the question. Where do you draw the line on banning stuff as it’s harmful? Alcohol? Banned. Tobacco? Banned. Sugar? Caffeine?

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990138#Comment_120990138

Again, teenagers shouldn't be going near any weed. It's extremely dangerous. Like drinking 40% alcohol would be dangerous for them, weed can cause extreme long term damage.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990146#Comment_120990146

Having access to properly labelled drugs, outlining strength and effects is.

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990122#Comment_120990122

Gives people joy? Back to my original point. The campaign to legalise weed is for selfish reasons mostly from users. I could ask you why do you support increasing our mental health issues?

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990104#Comment_120990104

Do you think that super strong weed will magically disappear? Most teens drink stronger drinks than that.

Having easier access to weed is definitely not the answer.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990124#Comment_120990124

Thats nonsense that users wouldn’t switch. It’s like alcohol. Sometimes you’re in the mood for a spirit, sometimes a light beer.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990097#Comment_120990097

You're not comparing like with like.

There will be varying strengths of weed available. It's not all going to be ultra weak. So think of it like alcohol. In ireland there's drinks from zero to about 40-50%. There isn't a thriving black market in alcohol that is 60,70 or 80%. The lower strength stuff is enough.

raspberrypi67

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120989225#Comment_120989225

I work around town servicing electronic devices as part of my job and the smell of this stuff in town is something else. Most of the people smoking it seem harmless enough. I never had any run ins with them but look half stoned...Perhaps other things in conjunction ok i'll admit but BIG mistake to legalise it IMO.

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120989936#Comment_120989936

Are you saying regulated weed is fine for teenagers? Because you may want to look into the research into that. We don't know 100% whether legalising weed will make it easier or harder for teens to gain access to it or if it will increase the use amongst teens but I'd say it's more likely that it would. Do you want to gamble teenagers health on it?

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990041#Comment_120990041

The legal weed won't be cheaper and users that are buying strong illegal weed won't switch to weaker legal stuff

I checked darkweb vs legal prices in US

Darkweb is 2/3x cheaper

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990108#Comment_120990108

Do you want to ban sugar too? I mean it’s a huge drain on society from obesity and diabetes.

Is there anything that gives people joy that you would leave alone?

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120989928#Comment_120989928

Of course but it may be far too late for that. Once the same is done for cannabis, it will be too late to turn back the clock also. Look at the damage cigarettes and alcohol have done, why do you want to add to it?

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120990097#Comment_120990097

Do you prefer them have only have access to super strong (+20%THC) weed? Because that is what the market is saturated with right now.

Most teens would drink beer or cider I would say.

Right now, teens go and buy weed. What would be your answer to stopping them?

Musicrules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120989717#Comment_120989717

And you think teenagers will go after the weak weed? None of them go near whiskey or vodka now do they?

We can't endanger the health of many based on extremely inconclusive studies.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120989747#Comment_120989747

Plus if you regulate it you can make sure that the stronger strains are illegal. If the weaker strains are cheaper than the illegal stuff, no-one will buy the illegal stuff. It not like there's a huge blackmarket in stronger cigarettes and alcohol in Ireland.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120989621#Comment_120989621

People drink alcohol, they drink caffeine. You can split drugs into two different groups. Acceptable and unacceptable. You could also split them into groups based on harm. For example caffeine Vs crack cocaine. It would make sense that the acceptable drugs would be the ones that cause the least harm but they're not always in the same group.

Alcohol is socially acceptable but causes more physical damage than marijuana.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120989937#Comment_120989937

What you’re talking about is your perception of stupidity in our western society.

Hang-gliding, for me is utterly stupid, yet there’s many fans of it out there. I certainly don’t want hang-gliding banned btw.

There’s no extension needed for alcohol and cigarettes. They are drugs. As is caffeine.

Given the example of what you see as stupid, it’s fair to say the cleverest thing to do is to strip away all joy, and live on a diet of water and vegetables. For what reason you would want to prolong such a life, escapes me.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120989621#Comment_120989621

It's common knowledge that drugs, and by extension alcohol and cigarettes are bad for the human body. To indulge in them you don't have to be stupid but you have to accept that what you're doing is stupid at some point.

We each have a responsibility to ourselves, we currently have a health system creaking under the weight of people dealing with the effects of alcohol and cigarettes and now we're looking to legitimise more substances that cause harm to the body.

The one part of legalisation that I'm on board with is the removal of criminals from the supply chain. In that regard I'd happily legalise all drugs but there's consequences to that also.

On the one hand we legalise drugs and remove criminality from the equation, but then there's the potential that people will lose the run of themselves and that's fine as long as its only themselves that suffer, but eventually they end up in the health care system which has knock on effects, so it's a complex subject.

TagoMago

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120989671#Comment_120989671

Not sure if accessibility is the question here as cannabis is so readily available anyway, more so the safety and quality of what's available.

As you mentioned alcohol is already illegal for teenagers but the vast majority partake. Would you prefer teenagers to be drinking cans of cheap lager and nagins of vodka, or bottles of poitin that some lad distilled in his shed? Think the same applies to cannabis really, if teenagers are going to acquire it illegally, better it be a tested and regulated product that then increasingly potent and potentially dangerous black market weed.

Quitelife

A lot of people have addiction issues with drugs already in this country with many families suffering with the consequences , our town like many in rural ireland was a far happier and safer place before traveller gangs started selling cocaine and hash 24/7 .

Gloomtastic!

But the way Europe works means Ireland will probably have no choice but to decriminalise or legalise. If convicted, I can appeal all the way to the highest court which, through simple majority once Germany is on board, will come down in my favour. Total waste of time and money for any government so that’s why they have the Citizens Assembly looking at how they are going to handle this.

Boards is the perfect platform to discuss this change. It will mean that the age profile of its current members will drop considerably but it will hopefully bring back some life to the old dog.