Do you accept without reservation, as a fact, that Russia has carried out those war crimes in its execution of the war? Yes
Do you condemn without reservation such actions by Russia? Yes
And accepting that:
Are Russians supposed to get off scot free and carry on their lives without ANY consequence for all of that? The russians carrying out the atrocities should not get off scot free.
A russian living over here. What consequences should they face?
You accuse me of strawmanning and then you come out with this?
I'm not defending Russian people. I just am not blaming the innocent ones for the actions of their **** government.
Huge difference.
That is not the question you were asked. Specific types of war crimes were listed.
"Russia is guilty of carrying out war crimes" does not answer that, it doesn't begin to do justice to the scale of the horrors Russia is inflicting on Ukraine.
What you asked was more specific:
Russia as a country is inflicting war crimes, atrocities, child abuse, murders, executions, deliberate targeting of civilians, threatening Europe with nuclear weapons.
Do you accept without reservation, as a fact, that Russia has carried out those war crimes in its execution of the war?
Do you condemn without reservation such actions by Russia?
Are Russians supposed to get off scot free and carry on their lives without ANY consequence for all of that?
And these were some of the consequences I listed, not "kill all orcs" but:
Of course Russia should be shunned, sanctioned, boycotted.
They shouldn't get to go to sporting events as Team Russia, glorifying their nation, acting as if nothing is happening.
There has to be consequences for this illegal war, for the war crimes and atrocities. Signals from the rest of the world the conduct of their country is unacceptable.
wasn't aware that it was a word.
I'll be sure to bring it up at my next meeting with all the other comrades 🙄
Now granted, I agree there. Brandon Flowers probably should have read the room a little better.
My position is very clear.
Russia are guilty of carrying out war crimes.
I fully condemn them.
I do believe that Russians who are not involved in the war and are not supportive of the war should not be blamed for their governments actions.
There is nothing insidious or absolutely nothing in my posts that are Pro Russia.
I reject that accusation. But apparently saying anything bar "kill all russian orcs" or "fcuk all russians" is some sort of covert propaganda.
Context is everything however: many Georgians would rightly feel a little prickly about Russians in general; some American rockstar basically shoving one onstage and asking the audience to cheer him was ... misjudged. Divorced of the war, there are plenty of parts of the world where neighbouring countries are less affable than our own complicated relatiionship with Britain; see Korea & Japan, India & Pakistan etc. etc.
Leave Ukraine. Stop the campaign of murder, rape and the kidnap of children. Then we can have this conversation.
Yes, you were being insidious and continue doing so here with insidious pro-Russian talking points. The 'honesty' of your clarification can be judged here where you directly contradict yourself. Obvious evidence you were spreading insidious anti-Western or pro-Russian cues in the hope it wouldn't be challenged.
https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120964541/#Comment_120964541
Noted that you entirely dodged the points put to you about boycotts, sporting events, etc.
Again with the insidious pro-Russian utterly false comparisons to Ireland. The IRA were an illegal organisation in the Republic. They tried to assassinate government officials. Russia, official state Russia, is waging war in Ukraine.
Let's be clear on this:
Yeah, I agree. I don't like terrorists or criminals. I just don't assume that everyone from a certain country is a terrorist. Because that would be...I don't know, racist doesn't sound right... xenophobic maybe... specific xenophobia?
I'll just go with "wrong".
If everyone is my brother, nobody is my brother. If my brother can invade my home, steal, plunder and rape, then nobody is my brother. Nothing reasonable about it. It strips 'brother' of any meaning.
Let's not forget earlier on the thread you were making utterly false insidious both sides comparisons between the 'tactics' of Russia in actively suppressing dissent and social norms in Western societies.
It's a valid one though. And it is worth repeating to counter what seems to be a very prevailing attitude of judging innocent people based purely on their nationality.
Seems reasonable. In much the same way that not all muslims should be judged based on Charlie Hebdo etc, not all Russians should be shunned because of the war.
It's odd that this is a somewhat controversial stance.
Idiots
Russian officials doing dodgy things, well I never.
My focus is about the present and there being less media coveage is it dropping from its perch not advocating a change in strategies but would love a breakthrough especially the kersh bridge's final demise given the freedom the Russian navy has in the black sea and above to blockade Ukraine ports even threatening a turkish ship in Bulgaria ezz zone testing NATO again and again with no response, mq reaper downing needed one imo end of rant.
Still some reports coming out of Ukraine pushing miskovytes out of their country and moving forward slowly in places from what I have seen but progress is bound to be slow with the volume of mines deployed by putin's forces. Ukraine seems to be less inclined to use its troops like cannon fodder like putin so a breakthrough is very likely to take time to find. It is a long front line that is being probed for opportunities so I would not be surprised to see news of a breakthrough by Ukraine being found at any time and then it could be a swift colaps of what is left of putin's army in Ukriane. More importantly in my opinion for the long term outcome of the war, the forces of Ukraine seem to be maintaining good levels of attrition on putin's forces which will in time leave them incapable of holding on to the territory of Ukraine that they have tried to occupy:
Is it me? or has reporting from the 1000km front stopped, are we in stalemate, no longer a news interest or blackout.
Which ever billions spent needs results.
I have heard the fog of war expression but this dark clouds and all
A total ruble collapse would be an appetiser
What’s a ‘tankie’ …?
The main goal of Russia's foreign policy is to spread the Russian way of life and culture. We strive to teach others how to live while this is happening in our cities. And yet we are surprised that no one wants to accept our way of life voluntarily...
The mainstream media CNN, Fox and the likes are all about ratings and clicks. Some of the news they sell is of course truthful. But much of it is sensationalist nonsense. If you actually get past the headlines of the article and dig into what they actually say then the articles themselves end up disagreeing with the titles. It nonsense.
Take for example a recent article that was thrust upon us by our misery merchants on the thread.
Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine.
Look at this headline. It's clearly trying to sell the alarmist idea that everything is awful. The Ukraine counter offensive is failing and Americans on the whole are getting fed up of the war and don't support Ukraine anymore.
However if you take a cursory glance at what the questions asked were this whole notion falls apart. When asked "Should we send MORE aid than we currently are?"
48% : Yes
51% : We've done enough
That is not a simple 51:48/No:Yes ratio. What they're doing is lumping in all the people who say the support for Ukraine is the correct amount with those who wish to decrease it. That is extremely disingenuous. And CNN fucken know it. But the good news headlines don't sell clicks unless the news is extremely dramatic.
Among that 51% of people polled is (and I don't have the figures admittedly , I just don't have the time in the day to be cross referencing this shite) probably again a majority who actually do support monetary and military aid to Ukraine as it stands. Even if it was only another 3%(6% of that half) that would still leave a majority of Americans supporting the current level or MORE aid to Ukraine. And it's almost certainly not gonna be as low as 3%.
But CNN can get away with it. Those with negative biases on here absolutely love soaking up the misery so they can feel vindicated. And those who support Ukraine get worried reading this travesty of reporting in their peripheral vision.
Then of course Russia absolutely love selling this muck back home as a win.
This guy is usually pretty conservative so good news.
Also the media especially American are ridiculous. They are way too negative when the going gets tough but then suddenly Ukraine takes a village and it's headlines of counter offensive making big gains. There's no middle ground with them.
Simplicity is best. Dont over complicate it. If businesses were burning all over Russia as in Ukraine there might be a change in public mood.
I was thinking they'd be best training a few pilots and flying airliners into the Moscow CBD.
Correct Horse Battery Staple just posted a link ( 100271 ) above, which might start the ball rolling amongst the Oligarchs'.....
Yea, I hope this is the case, the problem is the longer this goes on it is also having a toll on Ukranian forces, and civilians.
But maybe a few hopeful signs recently, Ukraine do seem to making a little more progress lately.
And also it's great to see that the sanctions might be starting to have more of an effect on the Russian economy which could play a huge part if this war drags on. We need to see it have a far greater impact yet though.
Im still of the opinion that the West/US need to do more in relation to supplying military aid to give Ukraine a better chance of driving the Russians off their land.
Most important that at least this support doesn't start getting less.
My hope is that there is a critical tipping point that Russia will eventually reach when they simply can’t maintain their positions anymore. Then it just becomes a matter of time before they must pull back.
Ukraine are still going to have a hard slogg at this, and they’re going to hurt a lot for long while yet. But their army is motivated. It is populated by men and women who know why they are fighting and in many cases are also motivated to become efficient professional soldiers. The supply of Western arms isn’t as good as you’d hope, but it is coming and it will keep coming.
The Russians are reduced to kidnapping their own troops off the street, giving them a week of firing blanks in Rostov, and then flinging them into a trench in Ukraine. Beyond some elite groups the Russian Army is now mostly made up of amature civilians wearing rotten Soviet surplus kit, and reduced to being meat-based obstacles to slow the AFU down. There is no strategy, or hope for relief. The Ukrainians are well able to kill them if they advance, and their own people may kill them if they dare retreat. Their only hope for life is to stumble into becoming a POW. This is not an “army” that can last forever, regardless of how many bodies you try to stuff in there.
A tipping point is coming. Might be this year, might be 2 years from now, but it will eventually happen.
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It seems that being an uber-bombast is part of Russian military doctrine.
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