The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.
Well actually, that feature is quite handy! I started a charging session for a relative who didn't have an account and was in need one day. They thought I was a tech genius. 😆
It's pretty handy alright, I noticed We Charge also doesn't check location so you could potentially start a charger for someone on the continent
I'm surprised we've never gotten an emergency "can someone start this charger for me" thread here 😂
I would be less vindictive, unplug their cable from the machine and gently place it on the ground under their car
I know a few networks won't allow you to start a charger more than a certain distance from your location
I didn't know any provider did this... Which ones do you know that do?
Electrify America have a geo fencing lomit, and Tesla kind of do it by requiring you to set your home address as the country you're charging in (for non Tesla owners)
Does somebody charging a leaf stop another car from fast charging on ecars?
On the old 50kW units yes.
Does this still happen? I thought there was supposed to be an update that was rolled out.
I think you are referring to a glitch or big where someone already charging on CCS would be disconnected when a leaf plugs in next to them. In theory the person on CCS should have continued to charge and the leaf owner would be made wait by the charger it the bug knocked off the CCS person. Either way the triple heads and dual cable with AC socket can only use ccs OR chademo, not both at the same time. The newer units with 4 cables can load share 2 cars, and some chargers with 2 X CCS can charge 2 cars at once etc. Typically anything with an AC port on it can only charge one DC at a time and if the AC is in use then charging rates on DC may or may not be impacted depending on the site and set up.
My understanding at the time was that it was a grouding issue which the manufacturer didn't oversee when designed the charger. By plugging in the CHAdeMO it creates a change in the impedance to ground and the CCS safety kicks in stopping the charging session. After this the CHAdeMO user sees their plug available on the screen. It is a transient thoug so not also worked. I've witnessed once a lady plugging in about twenty time until it worked. The only upgrade ESB did was to replace of the unit. Sometimes twice within a year or two wasting public money.
The only upgrade ESB did was to replace of the unit. Sometimes twice within a year or two wasting public money
ESB have to justify the crazy rates they still have somehow
20c above domestic isn’t to crazy for a fast charger
At 64.7c per unit it's more than double my unit rate of 29.99c, if I ever get my night meter it'll be quadruple it (14.75c)
The standard Electric Ireland rate is 44c/kWh
Anybody paying that and owning an EV is just plain stupid.
It doesn’t take way that fast charging price isn’t excessive at 20c over the standard rate.
that 20c covers the price of the infrastructure, billing system, standing charge, etc
And isn't Ionity well above 50c ?
And if you go on holidays with an EV, there's a real chance that you'll need to charge off the public chargers, so there's every chance @CoBo55 that you will be "stupid" one day !!!
Article in IT yday goes someway to explaining their rates.
Anybody who asks me about venturing into EV ownership the first thing I tell them is, if you can't charge at home forget about it as public charging is just too expensive. Obviously everyone will have to public charge at some time or another and pay the price, but I'm sure you know that...
Did you actually try it, or are you basing your prices on the Pay&Go rates that you'll pay as an infrequent user? If they're worried about a charging costs in public, then they should also avoid buying a diesel or petrol car which cost even more per km than eCars member rates.
OT for the thread but I'm starting to think that it can work in certain areas. I've noticed a number of EV owners in Sandyford using the ubitricity (Shell) lamp-post chargers on Three Rock Road while residing in the apartments near-by.
I suppose if you have a large enough battery and your consumption demands aren't massive, you can probably get away with charging like this once or twice a week.
Then I was just looking to see what Ubitricity were charging per unit and I noticed this new feature (not sure it's available in Ireland yet):
The concept there is around the free overnight availability of the parking spots before the office workers arrive in for the day-shift. Plus DLRCoCo get some overnight revenue from having the chargers in position.
So that's an example of how on-street charging can work if you don't have home-charging. Of course how that scales is another thing...
There was media coverage of the official opening of the Obama plaza chargers and media were told by ESB ecars of price reductions in coming months
I'll believe it when I see it, 2 reviews that saw hikes last year and no reviews in the first 8 months of this year. It's obviously too lucrative for them to reduce prices
The press release from ecars on this is particularly interesting. Especially the third location down on their list of "Other locations where high-power charging is available:"
https://esb.ie/media-centre-news/press-releases/article/2023/08/08/esb-launches-high-power-ev-charging-hub-at-barack-obama-plaza#:~:text=ESB%20has%20today%20launched%20its,as%20little%20as%20six%20minutes.
The cheapest ecars member rate is €0.509 /kWh
Assuming the average of 17kWh/100km that means €8.67/100km which would get you 5.4L of fuel at €1.60/L
My last diesel mondeo 1.8L did 6.2L/100km so €9.92/100km or €1.25 more per 100km... For that I had 5 minute refills, no monthly subscription and waiting for pumps to become free was 5 minutes maximum
Do you not charge at home ?
So as I said, the diesel was costing more per km. If price sensitivity per km driven was the only reason a person bought a car we'd have a much more boring world.
Personally I do a mix of home and on the road, why?
Yes, electric cars are €1.25/100km cheaper based on always using the ESB AC chargers on the €5 a month membership... Who could possibly do that realistically though?
Why? Because home charging is so much cheaper. You need to factor home charging costs into your figures to get the proper running costs of an EV.
People who want to buy a car that happens to be an EV. The challenges and costs of reliance on public charging networks are massively overwrought in the heads of people who haven't actually tried.
Don't do X which I haven't tried because it's not possible even though people who do do X say it's much easier than I think, is a classic internet trope.
