Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Wolf359f · 01-08-2023 01:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925170#Comment_120925170

I fail to see how any negotiations can happen when Putin is still wanted by the Hague, when 700k+ kids have been kidnapped. There's one thing with the west and obviously Ukraine agreeing with terms in relation to land, but there's no chance all arrest warrants and current war crime investigations will be dropped.

For those reasons I don't think Putin will play any role in any serious negotiations, it will be his replacement.

SlowBlowin · 01-08-2023 01:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925304#Comment_120925304

"The only good Russian in Ukraine is a dead one, however they ended up there."

Can I now quote this as your opinion ?

01-08-2023 01:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925074#Comment_120925074

We’ll put, Sleepy.

fly_agaric · 01-08-2023 01:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925344#Comment_120925344

I would say, I think this unlikely at present (have no expertise, just an opinion).

Russia is still a large nation state with a lot of resources and they are putting themselves close to the pin of their collar (IMO) to rain these mass amounts of drones down on Ukraine, getting a lot of technical help from Iran also - there's no terrorist group that has these abilities.

In Europe, the US, wealthy countries generally anyway (dunno know about parts of the world, where authorities may be weaker, more corrupt, and less competent [edit: your scenario may be more likely there?]) organising, and then obtaining the explosives (or even guns) for the attacks without getting noticed and caught is a problem terrorists have had.

If you can actually get enough explosives together for many attacks, seems like tradational methods of timed bomb(s) planted somewhere or suicidal nuts willing to blow themselves up for the cause are almost as effective and much easier.

SlowBlowin · 01-08-2023 01:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925422#Comment_120925422

Do you think there is any chance the friends of yours who are in Russia (and cant leave) and staying quiet are doing so out of fear of the repercussions of speaking out ?

Gerry T · 01-08-2023 01:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925227#Comment_120925227

No you're wrong there, the war isn't causing the loss of life. The Russians are the cause of every loss of life on both sides in this war.

Boggles · 01-08-2023 01:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925385#Comment_120925385

Yes. Hardly a mental opinion.

You do realise I wouldn't be the outlier, right?

SlowBlowin · 01-08-2023 01:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925491#Comment_120925491

I could edit my post to "The Russian initiated war" and it would still reflect my opinion. The Russian government is directly responsible for the loss of life in the Russian trenches, that's obvious, without Putin those conscripts, like Taktashov, would not be there.

Sleepy · 01-08-2023 01:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925410#Comment_120925410

Honestly, I think we'll start to see small scale versions of this pretty soon. The scumbags involved in organised crime gangs are hearing the same news from Ukraine that we are. I'll be shocked if we don't see some form of drone attacks in Irish gangland within the next 12 months.

Adapting a drone bought in a retail store to drop a molotov cocktail or IED (or to detonate one on impact) isn't a huge technical challenge and there's no doubt guides to doing it on-line.

zg3409 · 01-08-2023 02:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924222#Comment_120924222

Remote control helicopter/plane bombs were used by mafia in 1990s

https://theaviationist.com/2013/06/13/mafia-drones/

Already drones were used to take drugs into Irish prisons. Pipe bombs are regularly used in Ireland to put pressure on addicts to pay debts or to scare rivals.

Remote controlled car bombs were used in NI, and they took out helicopters with rockets before.

The tech exists, I am not sure how effective a small drone would be against an individual leaving a house or getting out of a car. Large car bombs, or hitmen in high viz were the go to tool in.the past. I don't think civilian drones would be that realisticly useful, maybe for scouting and directing but not directed lethal force. I could see remote controlled toy cars with a bomb attached being more impactful.

TedBundysDriver · 01-08-2023 02:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925344#Comment_120925344

It's only a matter of time before someone uses them on an event (concert, football match etc...) and then we will see arenas have to employ drone blocking tech like the airports on a wider scale. When it happens all eyes will turn to Iran and that will more than likely be the trigger event for the west to implement regime change there.

This war is a test ground for the coming wars

Manic Moran · 01-08-2023 02:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120924205#Comment_120924205

It does not constitute a tragedy, but IMO it does increase it, whilst at the same time being entirely supportable and justified.

I may have a different perspective due to certain life experiences I suspect most people on this thread have not had, but what goes through my mind when I see someone killed in a war, regardless of side, is "what a waste". Normally two or three decades of life. That person had a family who invested love, nurture and effort from birth, and all those life experiences and effort lead to a sudden early stop at the end of the line. No goodbye or anything else (barring, statistically, a call for "mama") just the existence is over. Snap of the fingers, gone. No longer an enemy combatant, now just a lump of meat, lying there at your feet on the footpath partially eviscerated by a 7.62mm machinegun. (Choose your vision which will stay with you for life).

I think that's tragic. That also doesn't stop me from doing my job of killing as many enemy as necessary as quickly and efficiently as possible. They are not exclusive positions. May the Ukrainians kill, wound or capture as many Russians as they need to in order to win the war with the fewest possible further losses to Ukraine, Russian lives are not their concern. It's still a sad business, there's a reason it's called the tragedy of war.

silverharp · 01-08-2023 02:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925229#Comment_120925229

obviously most people would like them to take large swathes of land back but on the basis that the lines dont change it will look like a failure if this hasnt been sorted by next summer. Attacking consumes more resources and men than defending so the Russian strategy could be as boring as do nothing until the other side exhausts itsself.

TheValeyard · 01-08-2023 02:51PM

Wonder what the fcuk happened.

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1686355116121554944

https://twitter.com/Faytuks/status/1686356355886510080

If thise helicopters did cross the border they would not be in the air anymore.

More Belarusian fist shaking it seems

Field east · 01-08-2023 02:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925064#Comment_120925064

Well then , talk to Vladimir and tell him to go home immediately with his army. Ukr did not invite him into UKr .he invaded UKr of his own accord. Ukr had ABSOLUTLY no intention of attack/ invading / harassing / annoying Russia at any stage. It has enough to do to manage its own society/economy

fly_agaric · 01-08-2023 03:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925639#Comment_120925639

Am sure that is possible, maybe partly as a terror & intimidation tactic (seems like it could be less certain of success than sending a person to murder someone?) (also see other post about criminals using such things previously).

I believed the other posts were about the scenario of terrorists or perhaps criminals launching loads (100s - 1000s) of the larger and longer range drones (somthing more like the Shaheds Russia fires at Ukraine perhaps) - kind of running their own "non state" air war with such drones.

That was what I thought was still [very] unlikely, even if the technology needed to make these kinds of things is getting cheaper and they are proliferating.

o1s1n · 01-08-2023 03:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925541#Comment_120925541

And no Ukrainian soldiers would be dead if these Russian conscripts refused to pull the triggers on their rifles.

As the saying goes, 'If ifs and buts were candy and nuts...'

You can 'if' and 'but' your way out of anything, it's irrelevant.

Facts stand that these conscripts are in Ukraine on the ground killing and maiming Ukrainians.

rogber · 01-08-2023 03:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120925599#Comment_120925599

The key point in your post is to varying degrees. And those degrees vary a lot.

SlowBlowin · 01-08-2023 03:57PM

OK, you are all right and I am wrong, everyone who is from a country whose armed forces committed war crimes in an unjust war is complicit.

Just studying this list to see which counties people I should hate:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_crimes

Note: I think everyone who has committed/initiated war crimes should be prosecuted.

pcardin · 01-08-2023 04:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120926443#Comment_120926443

make it simple for yourself. hate the current war criminals, ruSSians. They have the longest list of war crimes committed anyway.

Sleepy · 01-08-2023 04:25PM

It may be less certain of success than sending a person to murder someone, but it's also far less likely to leave behind evidence of one's involvement since there'd be no-one to see your face / car reg etc.

For a successful terror attack one wouldn't need to do any more than fly half a dozen "toy"drones armed with IEDs into a sports stadium or the like.

It's what's so frightening about the potential for drone attacks: just like the jihadists ploughing vans through crowds of people on Las Ramblas a few years ago, it's the kind of attack that could be carried out by any of us prepared to commit such attrocities but it has a far, far higher likelihood of the perpetrator being able to escape justice afterwards.

Brief_Lives · 01-08-2023 04:28PM

Amateur question here, didn't they say a few months ago before the summer offensive that it would take 6 months to train the Ukrainians in F-16s? That milestone must be approaching soon.?

yagan · 01-08-2023 04:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120926565#Comment_120926565

Kind of like a 9/11 but without the need for anyone to commit suicide.

Yip, although the US increased use of drones over the years in Iraq and Afghanistan it's now gotten to the stage now where they're a central part of warfare. Drones are being as much part of the front line infantry arsenal as a rifle.

When the first steel plated dreadnought was launched all wooden warships became obsolete and the British navy's supremacy of the seas was over.