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The National Party

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,224 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The National Party are never going to get a single representative elected. There is less than 2% support for the far right in this country, thankfully.

    Political donations are a way to ensure a corporate controlled society, not a free one. But I imagine that's too difficult a concept for NP supporters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    Remember Martin Cahill is said to have buried a load of gold in the Dublin mountains perhaps the NP stumbled upon The Generals stash when they were out on one of their "men of Ireland" hikes so that might explain where they got the gold from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    I'm not an NP supporter but they'll easily pickup votes based on the current/lack of immigration policy in this country, I'd give them a vote for that alone.

    .all this talk about the "far right" well the crazy left are forcing common folk due to their hatred of the policies to go elsewhere.

    Before I get a warning for bringing up immigration in this thread, surely its relevant.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,224 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Have you any idea of the rest of their manifesto?

    Most people don't vote on one populist thing, they pay at least some attention to other things. And the NPs proposals make 1930s Germany/Italy/Spain look appealing, liberal and sensible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Honestly don't care about the rest of their manifesto, yes you can argue that ignorance got us to WW2, but is what it is, the left have absolutely gone too far(I considered myself left in the past but cannot in any way associate myself with the current crazy left).

    I'm sure I'm not the only one with this view.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Big Gerry



    They don't even have a manifesto just "principles".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,132 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Betcha they don't.

    This Country went through some far worse difficulties 15 years ago, no significant far-right grew then and its not going to happen now.

    There are several reasons for this.

    PR counts against them.

    They are small, disparate, conceited and badly organised.

    The "National Party" is not a party, as it is not registered with SIPO and does not make the appropriate declarations and returns, so it is only right to consider it a group of individuals who happen to occupy the same room, very occasionally.

    In point of fact, it should be illegal to run under any party banner in an Irish election if that so-called party is not properly constituted, registered and compliant.

    Such people may still go forward, it should only be as individuals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,224 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You are in the 2%. You may not accept that, but you are.

    Your viewpoint is not widely held. Most people are not going to vote for an anti-immigration party and pay zero attention to everything else. The NPs utterly pathetic, deposit-losing performances to date confirm this.

    You're not the only one, yes. But the others are also one-in-50 outliers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes


    I suspect that the Irish Freedom Party will now get bigger and become a more potent electoral force. Having two right-wing parties made little sense, so this can only work in IFP's favour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,224 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Yes, they might get the entire 2% to themselves.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Fair enough, maybe I am in the 2% due to that issue but currently there's no alternative, like I said, is what it is.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,132 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    They will not become a potent electoral force. Potent electoral forces actually get elected to things.

    I have no doubt they will contest Council seats in deprived areas, where the perception is that they have been put upon by disproportionate immigrant accommodation, but they won't win because those same areas are sown up by SF and PBP.

    Neither the IFP nor NP nor any other party-that-isn't-a-party in that space, will acheive a single seat in the local, general and European elections to come in the next 18 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,368 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    I am absolutely certain that you are not the only one happy to vote for them while remaining ignorant of their policies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    You are obviously young. There was a time when Sinn Féin had less than 2% support. I agree with their nationalism but that`s about it. They are as bad as FF and FG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,368 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Never said it was, that's just the current situation, isn't it?

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,224 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    More than old enough to recognise that fascists can't be compared to other parties in terms of votes.

    But regardless, the only single Dáil election that either SF (if you are old enough to remember that) had under 2% was the first one they ran in, where they got 1.7% - and most of their candidates got more than 2%, including up to 10.6% for Paddy Gallagher (who came damn close to being elected). So that isn't a valid comparison.

    NP candidates will continue to fight for the 2%, per constituency, willing to vote for the far right. And they will never exceed that, no matter how much undeclared gold they have in an unsafe safe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Was only talking to my mother the other day about Justin Barrett. She's 76, I'm 32. I know him as current day fascist slash irrelevant idiot. She remembers him as 1990s irrelevant idiot that got on the late late show cause he went on mental rants. Justin has largely remained the same force of idiocy throughout the generations. Neither the National Party or Freedom Party are relevant and will just remain obscure and hateful groups.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Okay I get that you are not a National Party supporter but would you concede that if it turns out that they were right to hold gold in preference to cash, people will recognize that as an indicator of competence? I remember Garret Fitzgerald who I did not like and considdered incompetent and I was not surprised when he had personal financial difficulties even after a lifelong high salary career at the public`s expence. Is it reasonable to look for a corrolation between how a party or a politician invests and how they might manage the country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,224 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    No. They hold it in gold because its undeclared and they're loons; not because of any competence

    Their leader can't remember how many wives he's had and willingly and repeatedly wears suits cut for significantly taller men despite having hundreds of thousands of euro at his disposal - they don't have the competence to dress themselves or remember reality, let alone run a country.

    Their supporters reflect the party leadership very well.



  • Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It’s no great mystery he has a pot of gold



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,368 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,368 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,014 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Ah yeh...but...something, something, imgrints.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,014 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    No longer. But it's just as well he still has his lucky charms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭keynes


    Surely the NP's decision to invest in gold has been vindicated by the reckless ECB money printing and attendant inflation over the past three years (which started well before Ukraine). A classic example of the dangers of a fiat currency. Do you know that the ECB is continually printing money for Italy at our expense?

    Regarding his ideas, what about the "mainstream" parties championing open borders, bemoaning "global boiling" (the new catchphrase) and claiming there are 7 genders? All of this stuff is nuts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,440 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    In real (inflation-adjusted) terms, the price of gold has fallen over the past three years, down from about USD 2,180/oz in May 2020 to USD 1,920/oz in June 2023. But don't let reality get in the way of your preconceptions.

    But, seriously guys, the issue here is not really whether the NP's decision to keep the "party reserve" in gold was a sound investment decision, particularly if you assume that the only alternative was keeping it in banknotes in a shoebox under the bed. The bigger issues are (a) where did the NP get €400k? And (b) what were they keeping it for?

    Barrett's electoral record over the past 20 years has been extremely consistent. It's wildly unlikely that anyone gave him 400k in the expectation that this would lead to any electoral success. So what did they hope to achieve through their, um, generosity? And who would want to achieve such a thing? And how was the money to be spent so as to achieve that thing?

    And, as a sub-plot; the National Party stopped filing the required financial returns after 2021. Was this in any way linked to the receipt of surprisingly large donations? Why would the National Party wish to conceal the source of its financial support? Is this something that the donor requested? Why?



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