Yeah, hard to figure it out. That is why I said two mintues max - 30 seconds does not seem long enough.
Though a rule like that would fundamentally change the sport and could have unintended consequences - (like the advanced mark). There definitely needs to more incentive for attacking in football though. Way too easy for a side to just shut up shop. Maybe 5 points for a goal would be a much simpler solution? Or would that make some sides even more defensive?
I don't mind a small bit of defensive football, but when they are all at it gets silly - no contrast in styles. It does not make for a nice spectacle and would not encourage neutrals to switch on.
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I think it causes as many problems as it solves.
There's a technological issue as players would need to see how much time they have left so the shot clock needs to be visible. So all scoreboards would need to be changed - not sure how feasible that is or what level it goes down to in the pyramid.
30 seconds isn't a lot of time if you gained initial possession in your own square against the hurricane on a wintry day (e.g., June/July) in Salthill - probably not physically possible to go the ~60 metres needed to get a realistic shot off. So there'd have to be some 'kick it in the general direction of the goal' alternative to count as a valid shot to avoid penalty. Would this descend into 'we gain 40 metres, kick it 30 metres, try to hold them to 20 metres and when they kick it 30 metres, we have gained net 20 metres'? Like a bad NFL-USA punt-fest game.
Lots of fun with 'did he get the shot off on 29.9 or 30.1 seconds?' arguments.
(Maybe some limit on the amount of backward passes in any uninterrupted possession might be a better solution, probably flawed as well)
Just sparked from a something another poster said on another thread - basically going on about how teams keep the ball for ages in football, hoping the other side make a mistake.
Would the simple answer be a shot clock (like in basketball) could be the answer to that 'keep ball' problem? 1/2 minute limit? Have a separate ref for it in the stands. Anything more than 2 minutes of keep ball is really taking the mick as far as I am concerned. I remember years ago div 2 final Galway v Kildare. Both sides were afraid to get out of their own half and afraid to take any shot. It was not a great spectacle for the neutral.
I think could make it harsh and give a 45 to the opposition for repetitive breeching of the rule etc. That would put some smacht on them.
It's tough on some counties that they are expected to play the final two rounds of the football league, possibly a league final and then provincial first round on 4 consecutive weekends.
An alternative scheduling would be the first 3 rounds of the league, a rest weekend, another 3 rounds of the league, a rest weekend, round 7, league finals and then start the provincial championships. This way counties are not playing for more than 3 consecutive weekends.
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Where did you locate the fixtures list for the league fixtures for 2024 ?, cant see them anywhere.
I see there scheduling league games for Paddys Day next year
I'd imagine could be some chaos getting too venues
I dunno what else could go in there - but an Exhibition match isn't good enough.
I'm not saying something has to go in, for what it's worth.
Why not have both? Players vote as well as journalists. i think the format of competitions will help just see finalists/semi finalists be rewarded more
I dont see a 4 team all star would be great at pre season at all. might get good tv coverage but how many players would take part. county managers wouldnt want it nor would county boards.
Why is a warm up game needed? Most other players in other counties could have club championship or anything else on.
Why do you need to have 25th anniversary teams more a part of the occasion. and how do you do that?
Finalists? Would they really want to come on. fair enough celebrate/honour the winners of the past but the runners up as well? Would they really be interested in that?
Such as?
Don’t like absolute nothing exhibition games like the Railway Cup. Surely there’s something else that could be fit in if necessary.
The GAA are looking at making the all ireland finals more of an occasion, about time too, there should be a warm up game, think an updated railway cup was suggested, maybe the provinces of the finalists in football and a team of the Munster champ vs team of Leinster(Inc. Antrim and Galway) in hurling. Need to make the 25th anniversary teams be more a part of the occasion, should be at half time in senior game, maybe invite both finalists also.
The All Stars selection committee probably a council of elders
What do you suggest other than snide remarks? Because the All stars has been a farce for a long time.
A false award in my view.
I'd prefer the something to the Round Robin. Etc.
That is one I forgot to say players should be voted for by the public not the journalists. Most GAA fans would give a fair call overall as to who the players should be. Voting could be charged another way to earn money for the GAA or part to charity, or various causes that affect GAA players that no longer play the game etc.
My etc was referring to examples of players.
But I find the all stars in it's current form the 'All-Stars' is a day out for the sake of it. Good players get forgotten about that play for so called weaker counties.
A four team All-Star League 'divisional' teams playing each other would be a great preseason thing instead of the McGrath cup/O'Byrne cup etc. They could have it in a round robin or something. I would watch it anyway.
I didn't know this bit until I looked up the criteria for the awards. That it is the players themselves who choose the All Stars. Fair play to so many of the also rans, that they consistently give the accolade to their more succesful brethren.
"In 2011 it was announced that the GAA All Stars Awards, which had been sponsored in recent years by Vodafone, and the GPA Awards would merge under the sponsorship of car manufacturer Opel. The move announced by Christy Cooney saw the achievements of players recognised jointly for the first time in October 2011.
The All Stars team comprises the best player in each position, regardless of club or county affiliation. The composition of the All Star teams are decided on the basis of a shortlist compiled by a selection committee of sports journalists from the national media, while the overall winners are chosen by inter-county players themselves. The award is regarded by players as the highest accolade available to them, due to it being picked by their peers."
Also, when taking forwards into account it’s mostly just scores.
They don’t take any other contributions into account such as chances created or frees won leading to shots etc
It’s completely outdated
They are selected by journalists, so you can blame them for political decisions, and the sympathy votes. I read that when it started they used to select 115 players, but it is now 45. Limiting it to just 3 for each position, does make it imperfect. Some years there could be more than 3 very good players say at number 11, and no standout players say at number 4. But that is the system, and it has always (without checking) favoured the counties which progressed deep into the Championship.
This year there are 13 football counties represented in the 45, which I read is an unusually high number. Again blame the GAA correspondents on TV, radio, newspapers and other media who do the nominations.
This is not a discussion where "etc" should be used. I you have other headings that you think are wrong, say what they are.
I would scrap the all stars for the championship, they are a farce, political decisions. sympathy votes, positional changes etc. Plus this is a system where Clarke can get an all star for Mayo despite conceding two goals. But an exceptional player like Mulroy for Louth will never get an all star in his lifetime.
They are always heavily weighted towards the final - the finalists get the majority of 12 spots while the runners up get less. Then there might be 3 spots for other counties.
Also the consistent players who are assumed to be good and got ones previously have to have exceptional years to get an all star - Cluxton. James McCarthy, David Clifford etc
I think a much better solution would be an all star team for each division in the league. Then they can all play in other in a round robin abroad somewhere..
Fair play to them for giving it a go. The real challenge is getting the AI right for 30 players and a ref on a pitch that makes the game realistic but also a bit chaotic. I see they have done a bit of motion capture which looks fine - but the hard part will be getting things like collisions, tackling, breaking ball to appear realistic
Football video game was showcased this week. Nothing can be as shite as the ' Gaelic Games Series' on the PS2 years back
IMHO yes the advantages lie too much with the defense and IMHO I do not think football is better then it was in the 1990's.
Higher scoring doesn't mean better games.
The problem with the modern game is there is a lack of contest for possession, as defenses retreat and allow teams to have the ball for ages and rarely will a long ball be played into the forwards.More genuine contest for possession means more excitment. The scoring is only part of the excitement.
Do the advantages lie too much with the defence these days?
Yes, we don't have the ping-pong hurling scores in football, but are they really worth it. On the other hand, we rarely have games like the 1996 Leinster Final 0-10 to 0-08. Dublin won an All-Ireland in 1995 by 1-10 to 0-12, that would be low-scoring by today's standards, but that Championship saw Wicklow beat Westmeath by 0-9 to 0-3.
Football now is a lot better than the 1990s.
Some of those rules will be too complicated to referee.
Yes to 13 players.
No to number of players in the attacking half, no to banning the short kickout, no the 3 handpasses in a row.
What you do need to do is to stop the goalkeeper coming out and making it easy to play the mindless possession game across the 45.
They had a guy manually updating them iirc, which did lead to mistakes at times
They didn't mention it once, it was brutal
Did TG 4 not do soemthing like this on last day of NFL? had updated tables etc
I dont think RTE even mentioned the various permutations etc in closing mins of Galway Armagh match, though i may be wrong, was watching in a pub
Since GAA don't use a data provider to pull from something like a live API, they would need their own in house people manually doing it - Which is incredibly messy unless they had a big group of people at it.
Looks easy when Premier League do it on the final day etc., but that's because they have a data provider with literally 5 people assigned to each live match.
This is more of a broadcaster and GAA one. Why not have a live table in the corner of the screen when it is the last group game of the AI series?
Common sense?
