Cost of a United Ireland and the GFA

lurleen lumpkin · 14-07-2023 06:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120851878#Comment_120851878

We're in the midst of the twelfth, can we not call this stuff out (especially coming from associates of Bryson) without having to qualify it?

Fionn1952 · 14-07-2023 06:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852044#Comment_120852044

Seems a bit, 'looking for things to complain about' more than genuine offense to me to be honest.

FrancieBrady · 14-07-2023 06:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852076#Comment_120852076

What’s it got to do with the GAA though?

This is touted as a family day out. Your man looks like he has enough to supply the whole band there.

They certainly have an image problem as well as the other issues they have.

Fionn1952 · 14-07-2023 06:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852115#Comment_120852115

The GAA was an example of something we would all agree is a family day out, it was an example of how it is mired everywhere in society, with a little bit of, 'men in glass houses', Francie.

I'd put a bet on if Downcow posted a video of some lads at a GAA match having a sniff, or the Dublin squad's well reported on sessions in Coppers that plenty in here would lump in throwing aspersions about what happens at Orange events, so drop the faux outrage.

FrancieBrady · 14-07-2023 07:01PM

Fionn, this has nothing to do with the GAA.

All outrage is faux if you want it to be.

It’s actually more derision from me than outrage. A lot of these cultural events are just piss ups tbh Let’s call a spade a spade, family events they are not

Fionn1952 · 14-07-2023 07:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852161#Comment_120852161

The GAA was an example, Francie. If it makes you feel better, the point is that if you take any gathering with a few thousand people, you're going to find someone on coke nowadays.

You're well aware I have my share of criticisms for events around the marching season, but pointing out something that is literally happening absolutely f*cking everywhere now as if it is specific to Orange events.....it's a pretty transparent to demonise.

As I've said on many topics, the bullsh*t looking for things to be offended about criticisms completely undermine legitimate criticism.

FrancieBrady · 14-07-2023 07:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852301#Comment_120852301

Stop the lecturing Fionn please.

It can be judged on its own merits.

Why save these two behaving illegally by dragging in the GAA.

P.S. I know people do coke, I know there are bad taigs too.

lurleen lumpkin · 14-07-2023 07:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852076#Comment_120852076

I'm not offended by the coke taking. Just pointing out the lads doing something illegal, possibly in a street or area where they're not welcome.

blanch152 · 14-07-2023 08:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852329#Comment_120852329

Unfortunately it is everywhere. I bet Halloween bonfires in Monaghan see their fair share of coke being done as well.

The outraged mob jump at every little thing.

Fionn1952 · 14-07-2023 08:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852329#Comment_120852329

I'll happily stop lecturing if others stop with the bullsh*t whinging. I stand by calling it what it is, faux outrage.

FrancieBrady · 14-07-2023 08:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852525#Comment_120852525

blanch who only calls out one side arrives.

You’re in good company @Fionn1952 good luck! 😁

downcow · 14-07-2023 09:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852161#Comment_120852161

You see francie is touchy because he was going to post videoes of bad behaviour from same band in ballycastle a long time ago, but he obviously researched it a little further. The band that was provoked by the shinner team this year had exactly the same done to them in last video. Same spot, same team. Only difference was that the shinner that tauntedthe band last time, decided this year to do the filming, as he got arrested last time. Not a finger was laid on him then, nor his mates yesterday.

So francie I guess the videos aren’t coming.

I have to accept the video of the band celebrating as he is arrested doesn’t look good, but you can hardly blame them - and I think you knew I would have given the context.

here’s the evidence - two years, two attempts

FrancieBrady · 14-07-2023 10:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852741#Comment_120852741

I have no interest in posting the videos downcow. Anyone who likes to be informed about issues can find out plenty about that sectarian band on google or via the Parades Commission efforts to contain them.

downcow · 14-07-2023 10:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852906#Comment_120852906

My comments are not about the band. Tbh I know little about them. My interest is that you have been telling us that bands are welcome in a United ireland, anywhere the behave. I thought you would be coming out to condemn sf councillor who is hellbent on provoking bands in ballycastle so as to get parades banned. Well I knew better!

can you imagine my local councillor turning up at nationalist events in a rangers top and disrupting them by walking backwards and forwards through parades or walking on to the GAA pitch and bumping into players. I think we know what would happen and who would be blamed?

FrancieBrady · 14-07-2023 10:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120852950#Comment_120852950

Bands who aren’t sectarian are welcome already here downcow.

I don’t condone what yer man did but as I said, there are always two sides to the story when it comes to the OO and parades.

I see SF want a meeting about this band so I suspect again there is more to this than meets the eye.

Ignacius · 15-07-2023 01:16AM

The marching they can have. I suppose it’s cultural. I wish it was more friendly. The bonfires up there are not cultural. They are dangerous and they are very divisive.

I would not care about the flag in a United ireland. It is one island and makes sense. The Unionists ran an apartheid state for decades. The fears and insecurities from that ending and their treatment will rumble on in the older generations psyche. The next generation won’t fear as much. It will happen and I think fighting it makes you look ridiculous.

ittakestwo · 15-07-2023 03:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120851932#Comment_120851932

A UI will be a new state so presume it will be something new that everyone in Ireland doesn't have a problem. Flags like the tricolour or St patricks cross have baggage to some irish so wont be used in a new state.

I think some people use the tricolour at all Ireland sports events because they associate it with Ireland. I dont care if someone shows up to an Ireland rugby match with a tricolour or st patricks cross or any other flag they associate withIreland.... fredom of expression

downcow · 15-07-2023 07:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853304#Comment_120853304

I think assuming it will happen makes you look rediculous. It is fantasy. We were told ni wouldn’t last 5 years. It will soon be 105.

gerry Adams said there would be a united ireland in 2016.

you have had a perfect storm of stuff that should have encouraged a Ui eg, brexit, changing religious demographics, and still polls show same as always.

I know it may be hard to take, but we have been telling you for 100 years that we don’t want to unite with you.

downcow · 15-07-2023 07:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853367#Comment_120853367

“I dont care if someone shows up to an Ireland rugby match with a tricolour or st patricks cross or any other flag they associate withIreland”

this is not about showing up with a flag, this is about southerners in power deciding that northeners should stand under a southern flag.

….and we have just learned in a recent post that the tricolour has never officially represented the whole island. I understand though it has been the official flag of the Ira for the whole island - any historians check that one?

……and I am not sure I believe you that you would have no issue is all northern supporters turned up at games with union flags?

FrancieBrady · 15-07-2023 09:21AM

We need to be careful with the flags we choose. Unionists seem to have a lot of problems with them. Willie mistook the Italian flag for a 'RA' one.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/school-demands-direct-apology-for-frazers-flag-slur/28750993.html

Turns out what Jamie was looking at was the Munster flag.

ittakestwo · 15-07-2023 11:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853434#Comment_120853434

It would not be southerners deciding it would be all the people of Ireland. The place you see the tricolour most is in west Belfast or the bogside. I am of the opinion that the tricolour has too much baggage to represent a UI. A UI will be a new state so i cant see why people would insist on the tricolour when we could come up with a new flag that has no baggage to some. But my opinion is just one of the 7 million that live here. As we know from recent posts here there has been alot of symbols to represent Ireland in the past. Why not create a new one. However i would imagine even if we did create a new flag the tricolour and union jack will still be flown by people to show their national identity. Again I dont have a problem with this.

I would not care if someone showed up to an Ireland match with a union jack or EU flag. I would care more if some authority said they couldn't show up in a union jack...... freedom of expression.

ittakestwo · 15-07-2023 12:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120853611#Comment_120853611

Some bring him in to court to represent them. He is not even a solicitor. He just a sectarian idiot.

FrancieBrady · 15-07-2023 12:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120854164#Comment_120854164

There'll be people like Jamie who won't be happy under any flag. They'll burn the Union Jack too if they don't get their way.

FrancieBrady · 15-07-2023 12:51PM

Don't know about anyone else but I can't see this 'culture' getting honoured around the world by turning rivers and landmarks orange even if we do have to honour it here in a UI. Would it have anything to do with the sectarian song they are singing?

Personally I think if this culture is to be allowed in a new inclusive Ireland then the OO need to travel a bit of a road first and rid itself of this aspect. Maybe start by ridding itself of it's sectarian constitution first.

https://twitter.com/MacgMairtin/status/1680117949141602304

lurleen lumpkin · 15-07-2023 01:27PM

Careful Francie, you forgot to mention how the GAA also did something bad.

downcow · 15-07-2023 03:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120854142#Comment_120854142

I say again. The question for you was not about ‘showing up’, with a flag. The tricolour is give official status. But also don’t pretend all would be fine if northern supporters done what southern supporters do ie turn up with their national flag

downcow · 15-07-2023 03:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120854315#Comment_120854315

It’s pathetic. I could post endless videos of Irish people singing up the ra etc around the world.

downcow · 15-07-2023 03:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120854441#Comment_120854441

You and francie wanted a clear run at two bandsmen taking drugs and didn’t like it when fionn put some context to it.

well now what will you and francie have to say about the quickest and clearest public discipline I have ever seen? Certainly not something the GAA is famous for.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/co-down-band-expels-two-members-after-footage-of-substance-taking-on-twelfth/a2092760444.html

FrancieBrady · 15-07-2023 03:22PM

Great to see communities working to end these toxic events. Should be consigned to history.

https://twitter.com/Lseenoi/status/1680174186134749184

FrancieBrady · 15-07-2023 03:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120854941#Comment_120854941

Which wasn't the point made.

Nobody is on here looking for respect and acceptance for people singing about the RA.

Cost of a United Ireland and the GFA

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