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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭grumpyperson



    How long before a well paid tech employee caves and signs on the dole? Also, next year corporate tax goes to 15% so no more windfall tax.

    Interesting times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 359 ✭✭kalych


    Is there research or analysis done in relation to the Irish windfall corporate taxes? Are they a result of companies front-loading their tax liabilities ahead of the harmonised EU corporation tax coming in? I considered there might have been some connection but haven't found any evidence of this to date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Caves? Why wouldn't they sign on and get what they are entitled to claim?

    The bumper corporation tax early this year was already flagged as a once off, but I'm sure this thread will be hopping with the usual, when the YOY figure drops by a massive % early next year (despite it being flagged a year in advance)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭grumpyperson


    Have you ever been on the dole? It's not something I'd be rushing to get if young....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looks like producer prices falling in most places now. They will start printing soon enough to get inflation up to 2% or something.


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Does PPI deflation have same issues as consumer price deflation?

    Surely businesses are less likely to hold off orders and sit on their hands waiting for price drops, as they need continuing cash flow or they close down.

    Unlike consumers who can choose not to spend on non-essentials



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Global economy is slowing down quickly. Consumers are spending more on essentials like food, mortgage, bills, fuel and putting off non essential purchases.

    So factories sell less, have to sell cheaper and probably make less profit in doing so. Then consumers get hit with further interest rate hikes and have even less to spend and on it goes.

    Like you say factories have to keep making and selling but what can you do if customers don't have the cash to buy or need what you make. Then again as you say the people with the spare cash hold off, because they think a new car for example will be a lot cheaper next year, so they wait to pick up a bargain.

    Like those crazy PPI rises in Germany last year where it took a while to pass on to the consumer, you would think the same thing will happen just in reverse.

    Maybe i'm wrong who knows.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,286 ✭✭✭Nate--IRL--


    Distinct whiff of snobbery about that sentiment.

    Nate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭grumpyperson


    Maybe so. I worked in tech in my 20s and was made redundant and was reluctant to go on the dole. I generally tried to pay my own way and I guess it was a pride thing. I assumed I was not the only one like that but maybe I'm wrong.



  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    June 2021 was the original post so when exactly is it starting?

    What I have noticed is that our economy is becoming constraint in various ways, it's not only not enough builders, tradesmen, or nurses it's in all sorts of areas, if kitchens or tiles or lab equipment is being manufactured but there is nobody to install the kitchen or lay the time or install the lab equipped its going to cause issues.

    Italy is to issue 425,000 work permits to non-EU nationals between this year and 2025 to get around the issue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,955 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    probably because every large MNC tech and its mother is located here tbh. Anyway, most folks laid off from MNC and tech companies walked into other roles within 2-3 months. I was laid off and never signed on the dole at all, same as most of my team who were also laid off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    I can't see a global recession, far too many countries with high GDP growth even now, so difficult to see them having 2 quarters of negative growth to be fair. Something would have to of gone seriously wrong for that to happen.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,529 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Microsoft announced more job cuts

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 996 ✭✭✭Ozark707


    edit: I see it now.. No news on numbers yet it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 426 ✭✭grumpyperson


    So I'm not the only one. Nothing against anyone who signs on, just too silly to do it myself at the time.

    Market seems to have changed recently according to the recruiter but maybe it's a summer thing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 996 ✭✭✭Ozark707


    Summer is always quieter, lets see what it is like come September when people are back from holidays



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Central banks taking custody of physical gold and moving it back home to keep it safe. Interesting also that more and more purchasers of physical gold compared to electronic gold.


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,955 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    To be clear, in our instance it was because we were laid off and would be disqualified from payments for 9+ weeks anyway, when most of us already had start dates in other jobs. Not out of any sense of "pride" or anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,771 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...careful what you wish for there folks, as collapses in markets generally doesnt work out too well for most employees or employers for that matter, but we clearly need to dramatically slow the rate of inflation of our property markets, as its starting to lead to extremely complex and dysfunctional outcomes....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,047 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,299 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    There are plenty of countries in a "technical recession".


    EA20

    EA19

    DE

    EST

    IRL

    LIT

    HUN


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,637 ✭✭✭maninasia


    one word : China



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    It is not exactly global is it. The poster asked my opinion on when a " global recession " would happen and that is my view. Certainly a global slowdown could happen if North America and Europe enter recession. The knock on effects will slow everyone down.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Countries slowly starting to wake up. Might of been a good idea to look into this 10 years ago considering the sheer size and risk they carry if things went south..

    shadow.jpg


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    10 years ago the focus was all banking regulation reform and as a result we ended up with an increase in shadow banking. Take for example CRE banks were forced to hold more capital and as a result did little lending to CRE. Instead funds provided the loans and banks lent to the funds but had much lower exposure because there were also investors providing funding.

    The systemic risk was way lower as the lending was in a confined unit and the risk to bank was substantially lower due to the reduced lending exposure. But what happened was that the overall size of the funds markets grew to such a size that it has systemic risks because the investors who were traditionally high net worth clients got replaced with insurance/investment investors and if there investment turned sour then they could be in trouble which indirectly would impact banks that have also lent to them. (I.e. the bank’s overall exposure = loan to funds + loan to investors)

    The only jurisdiction that has anything in place to deal with this risk is the BOE as they introduced ring-fencing legislation that prevented retail banks from lending to the shadow banking sector. (I.e the ring fenced banks are protected from any problems in the shadow banking sector)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,771 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...again, theres still a large refusal to accept the true function of the financial sector, in particular banks, in relation to our money supply, via credit creation, this problem hast gone away, and by the looks of it, we re largely simply not gonna accept this reality, ever!

    ...we may have just super sized this whole mess, to the point, nobody knows what to do next!



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