Old thread seems to be permanently locked. It will be interesting if anything can come of this at last.
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You’re fond of the odd bout of statements without foundation yourself. The foundation supporting my comment might be stronger than you think.
If the neighbours were travelling?
I could understand you'd mind the dog if it was friendly but this dog bit Alfie
Alfie said he was minding a dog for the neighbours but why would you bring a strange dog into your house?
You are making multiple statements of fact here without foundation.
That might be your theory as to how it happened, but at present your statements of fact have no standing.
Oh! I see what you're saying, but what evidence was destroyed, and how?
The murder was committed by one person. That person - who acted alone when murdering Sophie Bouniol by inflicting repeated blows to her head - was not acting alone in the aftermath of the murder in the destruction of evidence in that another or others had knowledge of their acts and did not come forward to Gardaí with the totality of their knowledge and information at the time (perhaps out of fear, apprehension and shock and given they themselves had been living in fear of the murderer).
These are things they wouldn't have informed us about
Could be a couple involved in comitting the murder, as for destroying the evidence, probably more than one Garda involved.
What evidence is there of Bailey traipsing over the crime scene the next day?
Or this Frenchman posing as a journalist or being in the immediate vicinity?
Think about it. They all had valid reasons to traipse over the crime scene the next day. Bailey to take photos, Alfie to go to his house and the French speaker probably posed as a journalist. All valid reasons that nobody would think to question..
One person involved in committing the murder and more than one person involved in the aftermath in destroying evidence.
It could have been more that one. At least more to clean up afterwards.
A group of people eh....???
That's even more amazing... Not one jot of evidence left at the crime scene by a bunch of collaborating killers.
Kinda makes sense now.. Bailey got a spin home by the French speaker, and I guess Alfie just went back to bed.
Sorted!
A lot of people with suspicious scratches the following day. I would say it was a group of people murdered her. Bailey, Lyons, French speaker seen with scratches on his face and others most likely.
https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120558086/#Comment_120558086
If Bolger made money with drugs, he certainly didn't make lot's. At the same time losing your livelihood as a horse breeder doesn't really justify leniency regarding dealing drugs. These things should have been explored back at that time, now it's a bit too late. Is Bolger still alive? Or too senile for anything? What's he doing now in terms of making a living?
More about this here.
But Bolger was only trying to eke out a living on the magnificent Mizen peninsula having lost his livelihood as a horse breeder because of a neighbours crow- banger. So he deserved leniency.
Oh and he happened to remember a fact that happened to be helpful to the Gardaí at the time!
Fair enough.
I was trying to put into perspective how light Bolger's sentence was in comparison. Not very well apparently :)
Am I missing something? Only O'Donnell mentioned in the article.
Further on Leo Bolger's suspiciously light sentence.
Here's a recent court case. 5 years jail time.
Judge Crowe noted that O’Donnell had pleaded guilty early, had given information to the gardaí and had no previous convictions bar a minor driving offence.
Passing sentence on Wednesday, Judge Orla Crowe initially set a headline sentence of seven years, but reduced this to five years on account of the mitigating factors.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/man-jailed-for-having-almost-e260000-worth-of-cannabis-1492245.html
Yes Leo Bolger of the miraculous memory (remembering such a trivial at the time incident) and the light sentencing (for such a sophisticated drugs operation).
Is that the same Leo Bolger that said he introduced Bailey to Sophie and was convicted of drug dealing?
Thanks for sharing that hotpress article. It was a good read with lot's of insight.
Bailey first went up past the cottage some days after the murder. He managed to tag along with Leo bolger who was taking some provisions up to Alfie and offered to help carry them. He was not yet a suspect, no more than than anyone else at that stage. It was still a crime scene but forensics had done most of their work there by then.
"My key point remains: no worthwhile forensic evidence was retrieved from the scene of a brutal, bloody murder."
"It is clear from the DPP's report that nothing of forensic value was obtained."
How do you know what evidence was retrieved, and what was missed? There's nothing in the DPP's report about it as far as I know
Edited to clarify;
it was not Bailey’s first time up past Sophie’s house, he had done some gardening for Alfie in the past and had been to a party at Alfie’s for Shirley’s retirement a couple of years earlier.
I had read this somewhere but can’t find it now and I see that Bailey denies entering the crime scene. And of course that was in the afternoon, not the morning, because he only heard about the murder around 1.30pm
My key point remains: no worthwhile forensic evidence was retrieved from the scene of a brutal, bloody murder. That was a dreadful failure in 1996 and it is a continuing scandal because advances in DNA etc. would yield more results even from small samples if such had been preserved.
No one has been held accountable for this failure which is the root cause of the entire investigative fiasco.
You had been on the crime scene in a journalistic capacity.
I had gone out towards the scene and I got no closer than about 150 yards from the scene when two police officers walked up. I asked them if there was any information forthcoming and they said, ‘No, you need to go to the press office.’ So I hadn’t actually gone to the scene. I was in the locality.
The relevant material is the blood, hair and fibres at the murder scene. It is clear from the DPP's report that nothing of forensic value was obtained.
Her killer sleeps easy knowing that no advance in forensic science can expose him because the relevant material was not collected in the first place.😡
Until a successful prosecution is brought (if ever) we can't assume anything about Sophie's killer.
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