Lactalis be a different animal to Carbery. When most other companies shut down shop in Russia after the invasion, Lactalis didn’t. Started by the grandfather before the war collecting churns of milk from farmers.
Besides, I couldn’t give a fiddlers about Lactalis. They don’t give a damn about farmers, they only care about the bottom line.
My point being that a Co. like them are planning to exit the processing of industrial dairy products in Europe. They only want to produce high end products in Europe. The cheap shyte will be produced in developing countries. Privately owned companies like them will always be the first to jump ship…years before cooperatives. I take notice of trends like that.
You'd wonder at what stage will it become a necessity to start putting trade barriers in place to protect EU businesses.
Lots of money borrowed across more than just ag to be locked into uncompetitive high cost systems only to be undermined by cheaper imports.
Can't last forever
Indeed - and thats the problem with the likes of Mercosur which the fake farmers friend Manfred Webers EPP are supporting in the EU parliament atm. At the end of the day EU agri is never going to compete on the lowest rung against the likes of Brazil which allows slave labour, land grabbing, Angel Dust, relict long banned pesticides etc. in its industry
PS: and thats before we talk about Ukraines EU membership fast tracking and its implications for agri commodities prices across all current member states
I would be against trade barriers per se. But to allow ag products to be imported from third countries where they can use every banned substance/pesticide is insane. I’ve no problem competing with US or S. American wheat/maize/soya etc if they have to comply with the same regs as me.
I’d better be careful or the IFA will be organizing a protest outside my house for talking such smut!
Where’s the protest?
Isn’t it Brussels that decides the derogation?
Jeez, it must be fair embarrassing for Irish Gov officials and senior civil servants to be going to Brussels over the years and lying through their teeth. It’ll be interesting to see the EPA water quality report for 2022. With high fert prices last year one would expect much less to be used and therefore better water quality…but I’ll wager that it’ll be worse than 2021. Improvements take many years to show in water quality.
They would give you a dose with what there at but ya they will come with the knives out as far as I can see.
The councils are a joke the epa is completely biased and an taisce and the rest are basket cases but none of this will stop them having a good go at dairy and farming in general. It's just to much in fashion.
Cool we will have inputs much cheaper so the eu and America is full of trade barriers they're just not called that and you'd never get an eu official to admit that if you held them over a open fire
Haven't we told you already ti's the tillage that's **** the job up 😉😁😁😀
West cork, bandon
Why Bandon?
HQ of the EPA?
Straight will be along anyway.
Probably because it's Timoleague water catchment in the area. And there was unwritten agreement between Teagasc, epa, enviros that if advisors got to work with the farmers who a lot would be in derogation and in cows in the catchment and the nitrates went down in the catchment then stocking rate would be kept. Epa and enviros never thought it could be done since they live in an anti cow bubble. But it did go down and still the epa are calling for a reduction. So farmers are rightly peeved at everyone's word and wondering what was it for.
And to cap the above that area is in the 5's and all the hullabaloo.
Catchment in wexford is in the 7's and rising and not a word to anyone.
Because simple it doesn't suit the narrative.
Another consideration if anyone ever debates with an enviro.
In a warmer, drier climate where the ground can crack open. Nitrates in water will go up.
Allowances should be made for that. Soil carbon goes down too.
You’ll soon be earning money showing the Irish lads how to unfook their Rye grass problems they’re casually ignoring.
Timoleague is in spate river country. Fierce easy to look like you’re not using enough N in spate river catchments. It’s the larger estuarine catchments that tell the tale in spate river catchments. Spent some lovely evenings chasing sea trout there. Lovely country.
Yea I know!
Guys thinking that Blackgrass is a problem have no idea what resistant ryegrass is like.
Wrong.
Allowences should not be made for mineralization of N. It’s something that all farmers should be opportunistically benefiting from, not using it as an excuse to spread more!
FFS!
(You work for Teagasc or what?).
Of course it should since the only action on nitrates in waterways is looking for a reduction of cows.
Now if mineralisation is accounted for by weather then all will know there's no change in fertilisation, cows, tillage, status quo.
Farmers should benefit from it. They do anyway. Even grassland, no till will benefit normally every August.
All this chatter, we're only really on the the first page of it all.
There's lads here legally can plough ground on the 1st of December for spring sowing. And they do to see who's the first out to wear as a badge of honour. The lobby here won't give an inch on that using the frost tilth argument. And then by the time sowing comes in end Feb, March, how much N has been washed down and off. But it's all those nasty dairy farmers and now they're wondering why they need so much N again from Cooney Furlong.
At meeting I was at I made a point of a company supplying product to Russia. I would have nearly got it through too only for a tillage farmer rep made a counter point maybe to watch it since their N was coming from Russia.
The largest arable farmers down this end are fertiliser merchants. They arrived at that to suit themselves first. One had a cutting edge manager in reducing fert use through soil balancing, winter cover crops. Unfortunately to me it looks like that work is being waylaid somewhat and there's now a fertilizer association club, that the side can't be let down with profit as king for members.
For smart people farmers are as thick as shitt. There is no sitting TD in Bandon.
Michael Martin is based 20 miles up the road. It's another half hearted attempt by IFA to be seen to do something.
I would not waste my drop of green diesel in the jeep to go to it
U should look up why it’s in in Bandon before you went so hard there ……running the IFA down is too easy an option
Is it because it's near the meat factory in Bandon, that the IFA would not help with the protest a few years ago. When the beef man was in trouble.
I have nothing against them. But for a protest to work you have to be a nuisance to the government. Shouting around empty streets is a waste of time.
I might be totally wrong.
The majority of dairy farms are in dero in West Cork so reduction of limits would have the biggest effect on farms and land down here
Dropping down to 220 isn’t going to make any difference whatsoever.
Are they trying to get ye used to tiny little drops…death by a thousand cuts kinda job?
What does it matter if there is a sitting TD there or not...
Very much so, will be interesting in holland with new elections on the way will the new farmers party make any inroads and stop the previous coaltions plans to severely hit dairy farms over their, might help waken up the current Irish government with elections on the way, and reign them in a bit
Very easy for u to say dwag…..have u lost sight of the very obvious difference in scale your farming in compared to most of us here
The co-ops were forecasting the milk price to rise in the secondary half of the year. Now they are saying that they won't.
A cynic would say that they just told dairy farmers that to give them hope and to keep them going.
If u watch markets and see returns for commodities that we produce that tells you to large extent where our milk prices are going ….prices had been rising (very slowly )but are in retreat for last 2 weeks and now at early /mid April prices and flat at best to dropping ….Chinese demand hasn’t picked up as expected as they proably have stocks in store and gambling that markets haven’t yet bottomed out ……I gasped few weeks back when a fellow boards user and Tirlán supplier told me low 30s by September unles markets pick up quick …..I fear more cuts on way for June and proably big ones for everyone bar west cork that are high 39s and 40 plus cent base vat and bonus inc
It's not looking to good at the moment 😕
It’s not and you’d be a bit concerned heading for back end of year …input prices still out of kilter for lots of things ain’t helping
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