Of course it should since the only action on nitrates in waterways is looking for a reduction of cows.
Now if mineralisation is accounted for by weather then all will know there's no change in fertilisation, cows, tillage, status quo.
Farmers should benefit from it. They do anyway. Even grassland, no till will benefit normally every August.
All this chatter, we're only really on the the first page of it all.
There's lads here legally can plough ground on the 1st of December for spring sowing. And they do to see who's the first out to wear as a badge of honour. The lobby here won't give an inch on that using the frost tilth argument. And then by the time sowing comes in end Feb, March, how much N has been washed down and off. But it's all those nasty dairy farmers and now they're wondering why they need so much N again from Cooney Furlong.
At meeting I was at I made a point of a company supplying product to Russia. I would have nearly got it through too only for a tillage farmer rep made a counter point maybe to watch it since their N was coming from Russia.
The largest arable farmers down this end are fertiliser merchants. They arrived at that to suit themselves first. One had a cutting edge manager in reducing fert use through soil balancing, winter cover crops. Unfortunately to me it looks like that work is being waylaid somewhat and there's now a fertilizer association club, that the side can't be let down with profit as king for members.
Wrong.
Allowences should not be made for mineralization of N. It’s something that all farmers should be opportunistically benefiting from, not using it as an excuse to spread more!
FFS!
(You work for Teagasc or what?).
Yea I know!
Guys thinking that Blackgrass is a problem have no idea what resistant ryegrass is like.
Timoleague is in spate river country. Fierce easy to look like you’re not using enough N in spate river catchments. It’s the larger estuarine catchments that tell the tale in spate river catchments. Spent some lovely evenings chasing sea trout there. Lovely country.
You’ll soon be earning money showing the Irish lads how to unfook their Rye grass problems they’re casually ignoring.
Another consideration if anyone ever debates with an enviro.
In a warmer, drier climate where the ground can crack open. Nitrates in water will go up.
Allowances should be made for that. Soil carbon goes down too.
And to cap the above that area is in the 5's and all the hullabaloo.
Catchment in wexford is in the 7's and rising and not a word to anyone.
Because simple it doesn't suit the narrative.
Straight will be along anyway.
Probably because it's Timoleague water catchment in the area. And there was unwritten agreement between Teagasc, epa, enviros that if advisors got to work with the farmers who a lot would be in derogation and in cows in the catchment and the nitrates went down in the catchment then stocking rate would be kept. Epa and enviros never thought it could be done since they live in an anti cow bubble. But it did go down and still the epa are calling for a reduction. So farmers are rightly peeved at everyone's word and wondering what was it for.
Why Bandon?
HQ of the EPA?
West cork, bandon
Haven't we told you already ti's the tillage that's **** the job up 😉😁😁😀
Cool we will have inputs much cheaper so the eu and America is full of trade barriers they're just not called that and you'd never get an eu official to admit that if you held them over a open fire
They would give you a dose with what there at but ya they will come with the knives out as far as I can see.
The councils are a joke the epa is completely biased and an taisce and the rest are basket cases but none of this will stop them having a good go at dairy and farming in general. It's just to much in fashion.
Where’s the protest?
Isn’t it Brussels that decides the derogation?
Jeez, it must be fair embarrassing for Irish Gov officials and senior civil servants to be going to Brussels over the years and lying through their teeth. It’ll be interesting to see the EPA water quality report for 2022. With high fert prices last year one would expect much less to be used and therefore better water quality…but I’ll wager that it’ll be worse than 2021. Improvements take many years to show in water quality.
I would be against trade barriers per se. But to allow ag products to be imported from third countries where they can use every banned substance/pesticide is insane. I’ve no problem competing with US or S. American wheat/maize/soya etc if they have to comply with the same regs as me.
I’d better be careful or the IFA will be organizing a protest outside my house for talking such smut!
Indeed - and thats the problem with the likes of Mercosur which the fake farmers friend Manfred Webers EPP are supporting in the EU parliament atm. At the end of the day EU agri is never going to compete on the lowest rung against the likes of Brazil which allows slave labour, land grabbing, Angel Dust, relict long banned pesticides etc. in its industry
PS: and thats before we talk about Ukraines EU membership fast tracking and its implications for agri commodities prices across all current member states
You'd wonder at what stage will it become a necessity to start putting trade barriers in place to protect EU businesses.
Lots of money borrowed across more than just ag to be locked into uncompetitive high cost systems only to be undermined by cheaper imports.
Can't last forever
Lactalis be a different animal to Carbery. When most other companies shut down shop in Russia after the invasion, Lactalis didn’t. Started by the grandfather before the war collecting churns of milk from farmers.
Besides, I couldn’t give a fiddlers about Lactalis. They don’t give a damn about farmers, they only care about the bottom line.
My point being that a Co. like them are planning to exit the processing of industrial dairy products in Europe. They only want to produce high end products in Europe. The cheap shyte will be produced in developing countries. Privately owned companies like them will always be the first to jump ship…years before cooperatives. I take notice of trends like that.
There is a young lad in Milford, county cork, works on McHale balers, he is so good he was flown out to Argentina to show them how to maintain them for 6 months on a 10k farm owned by the Saudis.
Incredible land, all the neighborhood farms idle, corruption made it pointless.
They grow alfalfa for feeding cow's in Arabia for kefir yogurt.
It would be classified as an outfarm I'd guess.
Carbery tried to do business in Brazil maybe 8 years ago, think they pulled out due to the business "culture" more than anything else
Point is theirs ample ammunition their to get readings from discharges of raw sewage re Irish water that the point could be hammered home on certain watercourses that aren't improving/declining in nitrate readings it's not just a agricultural issue its mutil-facectaed,Irish water basically have indemnity re pollution from sewage treatment plants, this needs to change
But the thing is Irish Water are money making organisation. If they can show a surplus the top boys can pay themselves a bonus. Its not about providing a top service.
It's gas the water mains for the local village runs through the farm here, it's asbestos pipe, and is blowing out regularly now every 6 months, 40 years old and is knackered, they have to ask for permission to get in to fix it, they'll hardly be reading us the riot act, the fact irish water/council aren't replacing this system as a matter of urgency would leave you scratching your head re the epa, they couldn't give a fiddlers about the general population drinking water out of damaged asbestos pipes but God forbid a slightly high nitrate reading comes back on a watercourse
The department of ag is supposed to do the inspection as agreed by ifa etc. The law itself is a council by-law and is enforceable by the councils ..........doesn't anyone remember the **** show when lads and lassies who had never stood on a farm let alone a working dairy farm started there inspections ........ I most certainly do.
I actually think that they will do. it won't be feasible to keep farming for a large cohort if the derogation goes ........but I don't think a large number of farmers realise the damage that's being done with excess urea.
It's serious when the IFA are coming out with a protest for the derogation
Lactalis are a family run private Co., not a Coop where staff/management couldn’t care less about OPM. They already have a successful Co. that’s operating out of Kazakhstan. If they can do business there they’ll be fine in Brazil…not to mention having to operate in a commie country like France!
They are planning to produce the likes of milk powder and industrial cheese etc there.
Guy on tillage talk podcast on IFJ with an English accent spoke brilliantly about reducing N and chemicals used. We need more guys like him in the media and teaching younger farmers
They are buying existing processing is it not ,https://www.fonterra.com/jp/en/our-stories/media/fonterra-and-nestle-agree-sale-of-dpa-brazil-joint-venture.html
it's a s**tshow continent to do business in by all accounts, remember back in 2010/2011 the same story was ongoing of the fortunes to be made out their setting up dairy units, turned into a disaster as the locals didn't have much gra for milking cows and reliable labour was next to impossible to source, was at a talk given by a Australian co-op Upper management explaining the losses incurred on that investment They made, fonterra wrote-off 300 million in 2019 of losses on their ventures their
Re producing milk in Brazil and shipping to Europe: could the same happen with dairy as is happening with beef?
Or are they fundamentally different raw materials and products?
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