Difference is the nitrates in waterways.
Pasture has now been proven to release less nutrients to waterways than tilled crops.
Greens in this country are a bit slow on the uptake though being blinded by all things non pasture.
I'm not disputing that - in the case of Dairy related pressures I think the issue could be dealt with by properly clamping down on the the minority of rogue operators who consistently flout good practice and regs in this area. We all know the type locally and it obviously p*sses off the the compliant majority who then get tainted and burdened by the outcomes of these chancers actions.
That's the inspection regime that is being sought by the various orgs.
Farmer org will fight it to the last . But anyway.
It’s not …and with respect most of us are farming a fraction of the land you are ….if dero goes in morning my farm ain’t viable
I looked up the maps for the place here locally and the surroundings areas and it's grade one perfect, zero issues, in the above scenario what powers would they have to go after farms in my area where water quality is passing all the metrics they require, with no pollution issues
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What about indoor systems? Permanently in at night? Bullshit definition
There's not many lads think they're following that syst but there costs are pretty much the same or higher in some cases 🤔 😉
There will only be one thing on peoples minds on Tuesday morning
Confusing 😔
I'm all for fragmented farms seeing as I have one myself now too. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best is my motto.
which is?
Is it still going down
The tubridy sh1te show
that's what I think too
Indeed.
Apeing after the NZ production model was/is a big mistake.
European production costs are now some of the highest in the world. Lactalis have come out saying that they want to reduce their milk intake by 22-25% by 2025. They are setting up processing facilities in Brazil because they can produce milk so much more cheaply that European farmers. Lactalis are a family owned Co and are no slouches.
I couldn’t give two fiddlers if they ban ‘liquid sunshine’.
I used to buy glyphosate by ibc container, now I only use a few 20L drums. I’m not a lover of it’s effect on the soil biome.
On your other post pointing the finger at tillage for being polluters. The power of the fert industry has slanted fert use to continue at the current level, and then plant cover crops to ‘mop up’ the excess…the complete opposite to what I’m doing here. You couldn’t make it up.
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Re producing milk in Brazil and shipping to Europe: could the same happen with dairy as is happening with beef?
Or are they fundamentally different raw materials and products?
They are buying existing processing is it not ,https://www.fonterra.com/jp/en/our-stories/media/fonterra-and-nestle-agree-sale-of-dpa-brazil-joint-venture.html
it's a s**tshow continent to do business in by all accounts, remember back in 2010/2011 the same story was ongoing of the fortunes to be made out their setting up dairy units, turned into a disaster as the locals didn't have much gra for milking cows and reliable labour was next to impossible to source, was at a talk given by a Australian co-op Upper management explaining the losses incurred on that investment They made, fonterra wrote-off 300 million in 2019 of losses on their ventures their
Guy on tillage talk podcast on IFJ with an English accent spoke brilliantly about reducing N and chemicals used. We need more guys like him in the media and teaching younger farmers
Lactalis are a family run private Co., not a Coop where staff/management couldn’t care less about OPM. They already have a successful Co. that’s operating out of Kazakhstan. If they can do business there they’ll be fine in Brazil…not to mention having to operate in a commie country like France!
They are planning to produce the likes of milk powder and industrial cheese etc there.
It's serious when the IFA are coming out with a protest for the derogation
I actually think that they will do. it won't be feasible to keep farming for a large cohort if the derogation goes ........but I don't think a large number of farmers realise the damage that's being done with excess urea.
The department of ag is supposed to do the inspection as agreed by ifa etc. The law itself is a council by-law and is enforceable by the councils ..........doesn't anyone remember the **** show when lads and lassies who had never stood on a farm let alone a working dairy farm started there inspections ........ I most certainly do.
It's gas the water mains for the local village runs through the farm here, it's asbestos pipe, and is blowing out regularly now every 6 months, 40 years old and is knackered, they have to ask for permission to get in to fix it, they'll hardly be reading us the riot act, the fact irish water/council aren't replacing this system as a matter of urgency would leave you scratching your head re the epa, they couldn't give a fiddlers about the general population drinking water out of damaged asbestos pipes but God forbid a slightly high nitrate reading comes back on a watercourse
But the thing is Irish Water are money making organisation. If they can show a surplus the top boys can pay themselves a bonus. Its not about providing a top service.
Point is theirs ample ammunition their to get readings from discharges of raw sewage re Irish water that the point could be hammered home on certain watercourses that aren't improving/declining in nitrate readings it's not just a agricultural issue its mutil-facectaed,Irish water basically have indemnity re pollution from sewage treatment plants, this needs to change
Carbery tried to do business in Brazil maybe 8 years ago, think they pulled out due to the business "culture" more than anything else
There is a young lad in Milford, county cork, works on McHale balers, he is so good he was flown out to Argentina to show them how to maintain them for 6 months on a 10k farm owned by the Saudis.
Incredible land, all the neighborhood farms idle, corruption made it pointless.
They grow alfalfa for feeding cow's in Arabia for kefir yogurt.
It would be classified as an outfarm I'd guess.
