Well I think/hope I would be willing to accept the "bigger loss" of loosing my life to prevent the "trauma which can be recovered from" raping of my daughter.
As for your "victim-worshipping feminist koolaid" comment, always remember, Strong women excite men and scare children.
And they're heroes (as are the women on the battlefield with them). But far more of them have died (and far more will die still) than the civilians they're defending (because they've done their jobs so admirably).
If you want to drink the victim-worshipping feminist koolaid that being displaced, losing a loved one or being raped is a worse fate than being blown to bits by a mine or artillery shell, you go right ahead, I'll stick to the rational world where the end of a life is a bigger loss than a trauma which can be recovered from.
"It's a stupid point though: being displaced, losing loved ones or even being raped, while horrible experiences, are not worse fates than being maimed or losing ones life on the battlefield."
There are thousands and thousands of Ukrainian men prepaired to die or be maimed on the battlefield to prevent their loved ones being raped or murdered, think about this topic a little bit deeper.
I had noticed that there seemed to be a lot of Russian groups on the deep state map in that area but I wasn't sure how accurate that was (For example Brigades and Divisions have the same icon even though they would typically be very different in size)
Ironically, the article you posted from Snopes was exactly where I copy pasted the exact quote from.
What Clinton said is no less illogical because the United Nations voted on a resolution. Numerically speaking, she may have a point: more women and children may be "adversely affected" by war (since each father killed at the front logically is the father of one or more children and also leaves behind a partner or co-parent).
It's a stupid point though: being displaced, losing loved ones or even being raped, while horrible experiences, are not worse fates than being maimed or losing ones life on the battlefield.
Anyway, let's agree to disagree and not derail the thread further.
Also, it's predominantly read by women (but god only knows what goes in inside the minds of a Daily Mail editor)
Oh and about your "eye roll" at what Clinton said, read this.
The Daily Mail is a right wing rage baiting piece of trash, they will always put the most "click inducing" thing in a headline, they only have so much space. Head shaving, finger breaking and dye throwing would get more clicks than a "boring" old stabbing. I think you need to look elsewhere for your agenda. Below is how a reputable paper headlines the story.
It's a topic for another thread but I find it interesting that despite all the headlines we see to the contrary, Western Societies value male lives (and suffering in this case) less than female ones. Like Hilary Clinton's famous illogical ascertion that "Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat." :eyeroll:
What's interesting about it?
hard to guess,saw on euronews this morning that Ukraine seems to have several different probes going on at the moment..
Lack of air support was always a massive problem for Ukraine.
We’ll see if they can manage without it but it’s definitely not guaranteed it will succeed without.
We know the Americans doubted whether the offensive would be successful from the leaked pentagon documents.
One thing about this war is that it has drawn a horde of 'experts' and nut-bags out of the woodwork and it is not always easy to tell which is which.
Truthfully I don't know. Seems if there positioning them there they must be using them in that sector of the front so they must be happy with the amount of forces they have else where.
Ukrainian forces are trying to attack the heights directly infront of Robotyne.
But will these forces the moskovytes are building up need to be redeployed to try to stop a breakthrough by Ukraine at another part of the front line with reports of them advancing in a number of directions?
Seems Russia building up forces. They don't seem like a spent force yet.
Is he immune to laws, anyone in wagner group that is identified, is guilty of war crimes and needs arresting, not the inconvenience of booking another hotel
Interesting how the headlines are all about the journalist having her fingers brokern, head shaved and having dye thrown at her while her fellow victim, a male lawyer, is an after-thought despite having been stabbed and savagely beaten...
More despicable Russian behaviour:-
The guy is deranged or else he————————-. Take your pick.
Great point. Some people are just natural grifters. On some level they realise that the lane for expert opinion on the consensus view is entirely clogged. The likes of CNN and Sky News regularly have US and NATO generals or war studies academics from prestigious universities on to discuss the war. On the other hand nobody credible is willing to go on Russian propaganda outlets. That leaves a gap in the market for the likes of Ritter and McGregor to slither into. Same goes for the "journalists" that end up in places like the DPR producing English language Russian propaganda. Many of them have no background in journalism whatsoever. Their only marketable skills are that they are from Western countries and they have no morals. Graham Phillips and Patrick Lancaster are classic examples of this. Hilariously it seems that they despise each other...presumably because they're both competing for the same grift.
Sure Vlad, sure
Payroll certainly, but not necessarily Russia's. Someone once described the English as a "nation of shopkeepers" as a sideways nod to how they became so powerful. Well in a similar vein I would describe the US as a "nation of salesmen". It's a large part of what drove and drives their success, but one negative is if you're dealing with an American in the public eye solidly espousing a position you must ask yourself; what are they selling? What they're selling is primarily themselves. They've found a niche that's lucrative. Books, TV appearances, talks, conferences, of late things like Patreon, Youtube revenue, merch etc. And they're selling to the audience that wants/needs to hear them, whether that be pro Ukraine or pro Russia. It pretty much doesn't matter so long as they have people to sell to and those tills keep ringing.
People like MacGregor, Ritter and the like have a ready made audience of MAGA Trumpists, the religious, contrarians, conspiracy folks and it's a big audience in the US and they have the platforms to do it; Fox, Youtube, podcasts, Twitter. So that's who they sell to and where they sell it. MacGregor once plied his wares to outlets like Discovery around the Gulf Wars, but that's a dry vein now, so pivoting as a "Military expert" on Fox etc that holds the contrarian view gets him back in the public eye. Ritter blew that by coming across as a loony and the slight issue of trying to shag underage girls. That he still gets a bargain basement yellow pack audience out there tells you how "healthy" that market is and how much can be made from it.
Views have always been weaponised, but lately they've been very much commercialised and that imho is their motivation.
When you get a very small Nr of people sucking the financial life blood out of the Country, easy to see why they are suffering from a dwindling population,, who wants to bring a child into such misery? And that's above and beyond a world wide general trend.
When you consider that Putins excuse for invading Donbas, Donetsk, Luhansk etc was the protection of ethnic Russian's, you have to see just how many he has killed....
I've been wondering about this myself. Given the Russian penchant for genocide and their use of locals as conscripted canon fodder how many Ukrainian civilians are there left in Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea? Are the "local" civilians at this point mostly, or even all, Russian settlers?
I lasted about a minute listening to McGregor until he said "In 2014 we installed a puppet regime and poured billions of dollars building up the Ukranian army for the sole purpose of attacking Russia" This guy and Tucker have been banging the Russian drum since the invasion, are they on the payroll or whats their motivation?
You and I get this logic, and understand that Kyiv rule would be massive upgrade for the people in Donetsk. But after so many years of being force-fed a nonsense pro-Kremlin narritive, you might still get some resistence to being taken over by a force they may regard as a hated enemy.
The Deep State map still has a couple of units with names that have "DPR" in them....however, there's no way of knowing if they are made up of Donesk locals or just mobniks that got thrown into "local" units.
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