Not a good look. I wonder did he go because this was going to come to light?
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What makes you so confident that client schmoozing is a crime when it comes to a Government entity? RTE is, after all, a business that needs to generate revenue through sales so why would client schmoozing be outlawed for them?
you know there was a fella on the enoch burke thread you remind me of. They’d never admit to agreeing or being on Burkes side but always had to mention how hard it must be for him etc.
You might not realise it but you’re playing devils advocate here.
You might need to chill out my friend.
I didn't ask for how business worked. It was nothing I didn't mention already in my original post. It's not a good business model for a national broadcaster and I clearly implied why in my original post and why it had failed. Poster completely the missed point, willfully, and just turned everything I said, around, to suit their own agenda. Very boring, with absolutely nothing new or no insight.
How business works! Don't me make laugh.
And I'll use emojis any time I want and don't need your input on it.
Clear?
Not devil’s advocate at all. I think he has had quite the fall, you don’t.
And I am fully aware he is not everyone’s cup a tea. He’s absolutely not mine, but I can still see that he has had quite a fall, and a fall that I’d imagine is very draining and tough for him.
Client schmoozing isn't a crime but can be, especially when it comes to a government entity which is what RTE is. The guidelines even for private companies for these events in most cases are very stringent
If the revenue done an audit now on the RTE board and the corporate events they have attended over the last few years do you think they have declared all of these events?
Decentralisation, a policy brought in by McCreevy and Ahern for the FFers up and down the country, kept them in power a bit longer as it allowed the country lads to skin Govt/taxpayer's funds for a little while.
Sorry, but what a joke of a reply. The poster gave you a very detailed insight into how business works for you to respond with an emoji.
Excellent response. Well done.
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I'm guessing you don't run a business. While it might not be to your liking, a lot of what you've mentioned above isn't illegal. However, not paying a court issued fine is very black and white. It's certainly illegal.
Moving money around, corporate client schmoozing etc. isn't necessarily a crime. Not so black and white. Possibly or even probably not a crime. Certainly the client schmoozing thing isn't a crime and moving money around often happens in business.
I used to do sales in the private sector years ago. Client schmoozing was a big part of that. Take people off to the races for a day, free bar etc. Spend a few bob, give them a good time all in the hope that you'll get them to spend a lot of money with the company I worked for. All totall legal and an established work practice. If a business didn't make money out of client schmoozing, then they wouldn't do it.
For the record, I don't know if RT, RTE, NK etc. did anything illegal. Time will tell. But I'd hold off on claiming their work practices are illegal until I knew what I was talking about.
as I said he was not exactly loved by all so him being in the paper for negative reasons or otherwise isn’t a fall from anything.
say if Bono was found out to be a real divil for lying about charity work right THAT you could call a fall from grace. People the world over love him and admire what he does.
RT just didn’t have enough fans to have a fall from grace. He didn’t have any grace. People generally did not like him and most people only watched TLLS for the guests and content rather than for RT.
Look, I understand you seem hell bent on being devils advocate for him, but there was no grace in which to fall from here. It’s that simple.
I’ve said before outside of Ireland he’s a nobody. By the end of all this he could nearly be considered one within Ireland too.
He's almost beginning to remind me of the really nasty character Virgil in the third Hannibal book who used to make children cry so he could use their tears to make his Martini's. It's like the old Newspaper adage "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Wrong thread. Sorry.
Splitting-hair nonsense. The fine is directly related to the license fee - it's a miniature follow-up step and another disgusting way of taking more money.
Just because a DG sets up a business practice with "legal" accounts out of jurisdiction and launders tax-payer money, it might make it something that is not possible to prosecute. They might be able to hide behind corporate client schmoozing. They might be able to hide behind dishonest publishing of figures as a "commercially sensitive" move or some other jargon. But it's gross misuse of tax payer monies. It's called white collar crime. It's part of what perpetuates classism in Ireland.
It's anti-competitive business behavior to help a select few people live a luxury life beyond their means that goes completely against good-practice of business and good-faith use of tax payer monies.
They all know, it's why they're hiding in silence. Absolute scum. Way worse than not paying a crummy fine. It's plain to me what they did and their names and reputation are dirt.
But they'll probably get away with it in the "legal" sense. But not socially, in the present or future, or historically.
All the hallmarks.....Hannibal Lecter isn't a patch on our Tubs!
Oh, this will be hurting him alright. He won't be too happy losing the bones of about €5k per week.
The rest of your post isn't worth replying to.
Tubs personally selects each guest appearing on his show to ensure there’s at least one good misery slot.
Tubs likes to get in the zone before a show by removing the legs from spiders.
Tubs once insisted that a restaurant close to the public as he wanted to have its exclusive use for a date that night.
Come on now. He asked for a pay rise. Or didn't want to take a pay cut. Definitely a psychopath. 😁
Wouldn't go as far as that, but he's always given off sociopathic vibes to me. I was saying this on boards 5 to 10 years ago when he was practically Mother Theresa re-incarnate.
The absolute obsession with and very obvious leaning into constant misery segments on the LLS is something I found to be very odd from day one. You could just tell he got something akin to an orgasmic reaction to misery, probably related to the viewing figures it was going to bring in and his continuing position as NK's number one client. He took over a show which had a long tradition of current affairs debate, social issues, light hearted content etc but it increasingly became a vehicle for the nation to sob and blub over very sad stories which, while very worthy and necessary, shouldn't have become such a focus on a Friday night chat show. It was perverse, but it demonstrated to me someone who doesn't really care and will just flog any horse to death if it keeps him in prime position.
"Each man is the architect of his own misfortune".
Hyperbole much??
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RT is "definitely" a psychopath now......this thread is mad!!!
Definitely a psychopath. Not uncommon,but seems to have trouble hiding it.
I get this. Plenty folks didn’t at all rate him , and he likely irritated plenty as well. But at least that was just a personal preference type view of him.
This fall is him being headline news day in day out for very negative reasons.
A serious damage to his brand, character and reputation. A serious fall.
Yep, that's how I see it too. I've never viewed Tubridy as a "normal human being" ie someone who might be afflicted by all that's now going on. Everything about him over many years has given me sociopathic vibes to be frank. A fake persona built on kindness, decency, good will, blah blah blah, but the reality is very different.
I sincerely doubt, he's losing any sleep about it this whole fiasco. I'd put him in much the same bracket as the top bankers who broke the country in 2008. We even heard some on them on taped phone calls making derisory remarks about the government and basically concocting plans to fill them with lies about how bad the finances were and how big of a bail-out they could get from them. I see Tubridy in much the same hue. An arrogant, entitled, privileged little tosspot, that is only sorry because his little scheme with Noely and Dee was rumbled and the gravy train has now come to a shuddering halt.
If anyone is still suffering under the illusion that Ryan Tubridy is the character that he has portrayed on radio and TV, then just look at this statements since this broke and his continued radio silence. Speaks volumes. Zero remore. Zero shíts given. "I hope my old pals at RTE understand how sincere I am" Hah!
I hope the PAC don't just bluster and actually force him to lawyer up to avoid an appearance. It will be just another proof of who he is.
Jees what's this, an judicial inquisition? You're a bit prickly yourself hiding behind your anonymous enigma of a username with your 15 posts. As it happens I was very impressed with ButterSukis insightful pointed post and mine is one of the thanks they referenced. I wouldn't regard my response to Buttersukis as critical at all so dunno where you got that impression (and I think Buttersukis is well able to speak for themselves without needing you to fight their battles for them)
I really don't know where you are coming from with the Blackrock and FF insinuations. Truth is there is and has always been a relatively small and very powerful innner circle of influence in Ireland which largely revolves around the geographical area of south Dublin (probably by now extending into salubrious parts of Wicklow, Kildare and Meath) colloquially termed "D4". These influential people move in the same social circles, they send their children to the same select schools and colleges. They have their tentacles firmly embedded in the political, legal, commercial and media spheres in Ireland and their networks are well interwoven through an old boys and old girls network where they consistently look after their own to the detriment and exclusion of others (I'm reminded of the late, darling of the media during the Celtic tiger years, the bould Seanie Fitz's appearance in court relating to the Anglo Irish scandal, after which he was welcomed with open arms into the law library, many of whose members I imagine he personally arranged loans or mortgages for). I'm not part of that network and have never aspired to and would never wish to be because, for what I've witnessed of it, to me it is an arrogant, vulgar and vacuous existence peopled by a lot of not very nice, self absorbed people. Anyway make of me what you will, I dont try to hide who I really am.
I would say the journos are trying to quench this fire around the RTE scandal by denying it anymore oxygen than necessary. All this talk about breaking up RTE has them running scared . They probably realise that any bad publicity around Tubridy reflects badly on them all even if they don't work for RTE
Nobody has ever been jailed for not paying a licence fee. What happens is that they get fined for not paying the licence fee and it's only when they don't pay the fine that they get jailed. So they get jailed for not paying a fine, and not for failing to buy a TV licence.
Anyway, it's totally illegal to receive a fine and not pay it. It has yet to be established if RTE, Tubs or anyone else did anything illegal. I'm not saying they didn't do anything illegal, I'm just saying we don't fully know yet.
My response wasn't just in relation to the 'talent' and by talent I assume you mean the self-employed people like Tubs. The problem is that there are lots of other highly paid people who aren't self-employed. They are essentially public servants and you can't change the terms and conditions of public servants too easy.
Your solution would work for the self employed but not for anyone else.
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