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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    More solar farms unveiled

    610 acres in Kildare and 215 acres in Westmeath




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Bit of a nothing article, not mention of what the concerns are.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A lot of wind farm news for Galway lately

    The offshore wind farm, Sceirde Rocks, will be benefitting the CBF to the tune of 70 million. Construction is targeted for 2026-2029, with it coming on line in 2030

    A 54MW wind farm is gone for approval for the Moylough area and RWE are applying for permission for a 13 turbine wind farm around Headford




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Just on the Westmeath one. That's kite flying. There's currently no intention to build a solar farm there unless and when there are more supports given. The landowner(s) are keeping their options open on that particular site (ask me how I know)



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    More good news on the public transport front

    2 bus routes serving Waterford - Tramore get increased services

    Under the proposals, Bus Éireann Route 360 will provide buses between Tramore and Waterford Bus Station every 20 minutes during the day – an increased frequency of 50% on current services. Buses on this route will operate every 30 minutes in the evening, doubling today’s evening service. Route 360 services will start earlier in the morning, offering passengers the choice to travel onward from Waterford to Dublin.

    Route 360A will continue to operate the same number of services, with some minor timetable adjustments.

    The combination of Route 360 and 360A will result in buses operating every 15 minutes from Tramore to Waterford during the morning peak, and every 15 to 20 minutes from Waterford to Tramore in the evening peak period.

    The route operated by both the 360 and 360A will be amended in Tramore to provide a useful local bus service to and from the centre of the town for the majority of residents.

    Next up, Local Link route 281 launched in Kerry

    Route 281 will operate four return trips Monday to Sunday. The route will cover the Iveragh Peninsula and will facilitate onward travel at Kenmare for connections to Killarney, Tralee, Bantry and Skibbereen. The route will also provide a peak-time service for commuters and improved connectivity to regional bus services and the wider TFI network.

    The route from Waterville to Kenmare will offer enhanced connectivity to villages and areas such as Sneem, Caherdaniel, Castlecove and Tahilla.

    Route 281 is the first of three routes, in a planned phased roll out this summer of new and enhanced TFI Local Link bus services in Co. Kerry, which when used together, will allow passengers to travel around the Ring of Kerry, all year round.



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  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Speaking of China, you'll be pleased to note that they are on track to hit their wind & solar targets 5 years earlier than planned, such is the pace of the roll out there. They now have 228GW of solar (more than the rest of the world put together) and 310GW of wind power, with 10% of that being offshore.

    They also have 379 GW solar and 371 GW wind scheduled for installation by the end of 2025. This will take them past 1,200GW of renewables by 2025 which was the target for 2030. Not bad and should help towards making coal a non-viable option faster

    You can view the report in detail at the link below

    https://globalenergymonitor.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/GEM-RTTT-China-2023-report-English.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,553 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Was involved in discussions as I was previously looking with some neighbours on trying to attract a solar investment on a block of marginal land we had between us. We had some experience and were asked to help/guide/advise where we could



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We could see a lot more landowners move into the solar power generation field, especially the smaller scale folks

    Plans to fast-track the development of small to medium-sized solar farms will be brought to Government tomorrow.

    The proposals would smooth the pathway for solar arrays on sites between roughly two and 24 acres.

    They would still need planning permission but would be exempted from having to apply for a contract to supply electricity through the competitive auction process that favours large-scale developments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,860 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    They should take heed and learn the lessons from Spanish investors.


    Not all power generation is equal and solar is the lowest of the low. Solar in Ireland has a chronically low capacity factor, it's the ultimate in intermittency and is the exemplar of variability. Solar is expensive to put on the grid and manage, next time you hear the random energy heads talking about how cheap their levelised cost is, remember they don't bear the costs, us consumers do.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    The only thing that picture of those 4 is missing is Aloysius from The Hardy Bucks to baste them in gravy.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    In 3 years we haven't grew renewable energy generation

    I suppose its great to have a plan to get to the desired 80% all the same

    As ye know, the government and EU were planning to rewet thousands of hectares of peat land, thinking it would be great for the climate. Only for Teagasc to say the numbers that was based on was overestimated by 60%. And we all know that forestry is seen as another magic bullet. Someone cynical, like me, would say that once Teagasc put out their report there'd be something else released to still force the need to do our bit. And out pops our own Eamonn with the news that "Higher estimated forestry emissions could undo any emissions savings resulting from better peatland data, the environment minister warned." Say what? Ya mean forestry goodness is overestimated too?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,333 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Check out just how far behind Eirgrid are on previous transmission upgrades. It’s a real eye opener and shows how those 2030 targets are nothing more window dressing. There is absolutely ZERO chance of adding the MWs of wind they are talking about to the grid by 2030 and 2040 is a push.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭prunudo


    My turn to dump a green link. Good move to be fair and we should follow suit.


    RTE news : New Zealand bans plastic bags for fruit and vegetables


    http://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2023/0703/1392371-new-zealand-ban-plastic-bags-for-fruit-and-vegatables/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Good move but we need to go further. No way in hell any fruit and veg needs to be wrapped in any packaging



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Speaking of China indeed, and without looking at it without green tinted glasses.

    Screenshot 2023-07-03 at 15-05-37 China electricity generation share by source 2022 Statista.png

    2021 China approved 18.55 Gigawatts of coal power. 2022 that became 92.72 Gigawatts and for Q1 2023 they have approved a further 20.25 Gigawatts, over a 150% increase from the same period in 2022. Global Energy Momitor found that China`s planned coal capacity increase far offsets coal reductions from the rest of the world combined.

    China`s renewables are nor even keeping pace with demand never mind reducing their use of coal


    Worth bearing in mind that while that figure of 371 Gw of wind scheduled for 2025 might look impressive, according to China`s Academy of Meteorological Science the delivered electricity is just 26% (23-29%) of installed capacity so that 371GW becomes 96 GW.


    Also worth bearing in mind is that in 2022 China added 6GW of nuclear to bring China to 57GW. As of Feb 2023 China had 22 new nuclear plants under construction which will add a further 24 GWs, with a further 70+ plants planned (with many of these having received fast tracked approval) which will add a further 88+GWs That will bring their nuclear output to 170GWs.With nuclear producing 91% of installed capacity that`s 155 GWs, consistently and dependably day or night, sunshine or no sunshine, wind or no wind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,860 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Depends on the supply chain, remove it entirely and food waste, food poisoning & food prices go up.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Posts: 15,801 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Speaking of Chinese coal usage, the coal market is starting to get squeezed as more renewables come online.

    Won't be long until it goes the way of coal everywhere else (bankrupt) once renewables get to a higher %




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭ps200306


    The offshore wind farm, Sceirde Rocks, will be benefitting the CBF [Community Benefit Fund] to the tune of 70 million. Construction is targeted for 2026-2029, with it coming on line in 2030

    Fantastic the way these wind investors hand out such sweeteners out of the goodness of their hearts, bless 'em. Who are these munificent benefactors? Quick check ...

    FST is a joint venture owned by Corio Generation, a portfolio company of Macquarie’s Green Investment Group, and global infrastructure investor Ontario Teachers’ Pension Plan.

    Ah yes. Ontario Teachers are the outfit who wrote down their entire $100m investment in the fraudulent FTX crypto scam to zero. Well, I guess anyone can make a stupid mistake. What about Macquarie? Oh yes, the buyers of Thames Water who have been in the news lately for running the utility into the ground, borrowing massively in order to pay themselves humongous dividends, and despoiling the environment by dumping raw sewage everywhere. That Macquarie Green Investment Group? You gotta hand it to them ... they recognise when there's a public tit to be sucked on, though they're more vampire bat than innocent babe. The question we should be asking: if they can afford to toss out a 70 million sweetener, what the hell level of profit are they expecting to make? And why are they 250% more expensive than offshore wind in the UK (if we use the greenie's numbers)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,956 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Great picture of Ryan here lol.

    I found out something today that the greens should be ashamed of: all the ( guessing ) millions spent carving up roads to make cycle lanes - there is no law that cyclists must use them. My next door neighbour is a Garda and we were chatting this evening and He told me this.

    Post edited by WishUWereHere on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Once again it might have been and idea to check the facts before posting another of your link dumps.

    From the Centre for Reasearch on Energy and Clean Air. (CREA)

    "In the first three months of the year China`s coal imports increased no less than 89% year-on-year. The increase continued in April with a 73% increase year-on-year."

    They went on to point out that domestic coal supply grew by 10.5% in 2022 and by 5.5% Q1 2023. At the same time total coal consumption increased by 4.3% in 2022 and 3.6% Q1 2023. Thermal power generation, the main user of imported coal, increased 1.4% year-on-year and by 1.7% for Q1 2023.

    If the price of coal is dropping, then like Putin`s oil and gas they are taking advantage by buying more of it, not less. Does that sound to uou that they are reducing their coal usage in favor of renewables ?

    If you do then you are as misguided as yet another of those misinformed (being generous) green puff pieces you dump here.

    Btw, is it not green policy to check through your rubbish before it reaches the dump ?



  • Posts: 542 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Eamon Ryan deliberately slowing major road projects by withholding funds, and Hackett deliberately destroying the forest industry.

    Forest companies applying to Dept of Finance for income supports for employees. Many foresters have left for Canada and the USA.

    I sincerely hope there are farmer/rural candidates running in the next general election.

    NO votes for Greens, nor for FF or FG who sold the country out to this gang of fascists.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Do the Greens even have any TDs in non-urban areas?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 15,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    They have a few in constituencies with a large urban area and a large rural area (Carlow/Kilkenny, Waterford, Wicklow). The rest are in Dublin or Limerick city.

    Some of these will be doing well not to get their lunch eaten by second Sinn Fein candidates next time alone, let alone a backlash against their policies.

    It is fair to say however that those who are impact most by Green Party eejitry do not have Green Party TDs in their constituencies.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 15,126 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    They have a few in constituencies with a large urban area and a large rural area (Carlow/Kilkenny, Waterford, Wicklow). The rest are in Dublin or Limerick city.

    Some of these will be doing well not to get their lunch eaten by second Sinn Fein candidates next time alone, let alone a backlash against their policies.

    It is fair to say however that those who are impact most by Green Party eejitry do not have Green Party TDs in their constituencies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Supply chain maybe. But it's possible to ship apples in boxes without them wrapped in a plastic bag. I suppose my point really was in supermarkets/shops. Fruit and veg should be free as nature intended on the shelves and not have them bagged/wrapped



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,938 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    I'd luv to know where all these carved up roads with pristine cycle lanes are, maybe in La La Land?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 703 ✭✭✭US3


    Nature didn't intend for them to be handled by scores of people, stored in sheds and shipped across the world in trucks and ships then layed out in a supermarket for days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭PommieBast


    Dublin north quays springs to my mind. They really should have built a proper continuous bus lane (with all stops on the river side) instead.



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