Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

Would have to agree, if we had a product/ products that needed extra processing and milk volumes maybe but we don't. There is a reason the plcs of kerry and glanbia want rid of processing, its the lowest margin part of the chain, well after ourselves some years.

The reduction scheme will only suit older lads who have their race run and have a healthy nest egg to draw from.

This land will then be pulled out of production for several years and basically be left deteriorate in accordance with whatever schemes they then devise for these farmers to enter once they pull the pin on cows.

Milk pool volume will not fall by a huge amount and there will be no uplift in milk prices worth talking about. Most likely thing to happen in the future will be plc’s selling up the processing to a third party who will shaft the farmers further and maintain supply of milk to plc for high value products that will maintain the plc’s margin.

I don’t know why people think Kerry will ever even entertain farmers regarding lifting prices, there is nowhere for Kerry’s milk pool to go and the other option for dairy farmers is get out of dairying to get paid pittance for any other venture they throw a hand at on their farms.

We are only heading in one direction and it is industrialization of farming due to policy making at a high level not being thought through properly.

Milk production nationally is in decline, 2022 was down and 2023 is down on 2022 and I'd say will be considerably down come year end as it won't pay to milk cows on, you simply can't replace 200k cows out of the system and at this stage re new entrants to milk, that prospective pool is maxed out bar a few exceptions, nitrates derogation is likely gone next time it's up for renewal and going of today's news it's 220kgs for the majority from next year onwards, where is the land going to come from to support the milk pool if derogation goes altogether?

Dept inspections on stacking bales three high on hardcore to begin next week. Satellite data will also be used to aid inspections.

Just looked at the derogation cut map there now and its interesting to see the little bit of Kerry that is to be cut is where most of the tillage in the county is located. We are outside that area but we are not in derogation anyway but a lot of our neighbours would be.

There's a bedrock element in this.

In wexford the whole central seem of bluestone (volcanic rock) is put under this.

In the rest it's probably sandstone and limestone is targeted against. Then perhaps local targets.

But other than that there's no rhythm or rhyme of stocking rate or water quality. It's purely what reason can you get this in without putting the whole country under the proposals. Divide and conquer.

I taught you were just after buying more land. And you are retiring soon...

We export 90% of what we produce so the only supply reduction that would increase price is a worldwide supply reduction. And as now the majority of stainless steel is in farmer owned coops it is a cost that would have to be borne if these reductions happen.

Any stipulation which includes not leasing to a livestock farmer would effect land value rental wise anyway so would have to be taken into account. A straight forward retirement scheme may work as well as anything else as there seems to be a lack of a people to take over anyway

For the retirement scheme, is there a time after which the land may be farmed with cows again or is it locked up forever

Government want a real-time immediate reduction to keep Europe happy, leaving it to naturally decline could take a good 10 years, alot of lads need a push to pull the pin, their also sterilising land that it will either have to go to tillage/forestry/male only beef farming

How many kgs/dm/ silage per head would weanlings need whennon kale for the winter?