Would have to agree, if we had a product/ products that needed extra processing and milk volumes maybe but we don't. There is a reason the plcs of kerry and glanbia want rid of processing, its the lowest margin part of the chain, well after ourselves some years.
I was on last week here that the genomic scheme will be a money making racket.
I would seriously ask people to look at the terms and conditions. If it means your land can't be let or sold for dairy or beef then that's seriously reducing your land value. Imagine an old lad takes the scheme and a younger relative will be stuck with the damage.
The government want to take your land for peanuts. Land that was worth 7 to 10000 an acre, under water is worth nothing. These schemes are not in farmers best interest
The reduction scheme will only suit older lads who have their race run and have a healthy nest egg to draw from.
This land will then be pulled out of production for several years and basically be left deteriorate in accordance with whatever schemes they then devise for these farmers to enter once they pull the pin on cows.
Milk pool volume will not fall by a huge amount and there will be no uplift in milk prices worth talking about. Most likely thing to happen in the future will be plc’s selling up the processing to a third party who will shaft the farmers further and maintain supply of milk to plc for high value products that will maintain the plc’s margin.
I don’t know why people think Kerry will ever even entertain farmers regarding lifting prices, there is nowhere for Kerry’s milk pool to go and the other option for dairy farmers is get out of dairying to get paid pittance for any other venture they throw a hand at on their farms.
We are only heading in one direction and it is industrialization of farming due to policy making at a high level not being thought through properly.
Ya, woulfe is with the co op. Does that not make sense? That they would buy Kerry Co-Op like? I don't know. But the guy that told me would have a fair idea of dairygolds business.
Well, I'm a Kerry supplier in my early 40's and I could quit the cows anytime I feel like it. I won't be working like a slave for nothing. Plenty jobs and opportunities out there now and a strong land rental market or just keep a few cattle as a hobby.
You could not let your land to other farmers with live ruminants if you wished to avail of the reduction scheme though and that would diminish the land rental value of your land.
Milk production nationally is in decline, 2022 was down and 2023 is down on 2022 and I'd say will be considerably down come year end as it won't pay to milk cows on, you simply can't replace 200k cows out of the system and at this stage re new entrants to milk, that prospective pool is maxed out bar a few exceptions, nitrates derogation is likely gone next time it's up for renewal and going of today's news it's 220kgs for the majority from next year onwards, where is the land going to come from to support the milk pool if derogation goes altogether?
That nitrates map on the journal website is interesting. How did they manage to leave so much of Munster with the higher derogation? Does this mean a lot of Munster will stay at 250 and almost everywhere else goes to 220?
Dept inspections on stacking bales three high on hardcore to begin next week. Satellite data will also be used to aid inspections.
I was replying to your comment below. You don't need a scheme to get out of dairying. Plenty opportunity out there in the real world.
Ya, it declining. No need for reduction scheme with all the banding, nitrates changes, etc. people are reducing and getting out "voluntarily".
It's made up.
It's divide and conquer tactics so that "everyone" will not be giving out about it. Then the lower limit gets gradually accepted and enforced on everyone.
Meanwhile more land put under the plough and the water N goes up but the cow gets more of the blame so more reduction in cows.
Crap of the highest order from people.
Just looked at the derogation cut map there now and its interesting to see the little bit of Kerry that is to be cut is where most of the tillage in the county is located. We are outside that area but we are not in derogation anyway but a lot of our neighbours would be.
And then of course the "tourist" area around Killarney.
There's a bedrock element in this.
In wexford the whole central seem of bluestone (volcanic rock) is put under this.
In the rest it's probably sandstone and limestone is targeted against. Then perhaps local targets.
But other than that there's no rhythm or rhyme of stocking rate or water quality. It's purely what reason can you get this in without putting the whole country under the proposals. Divide and conquer.
Interesting one, if land the dairyman is farming on is leased would that be frozen
I taught you were just after buying more land. And you are retiring soon...
Yep. Why not. Sometimes I think I retired when I quit the job to go farming a few years ago but I seem to be working harder than ever.
What if you had an outfarm not in derogation and home farm in derogation. Just work it out I guess.
If a reduction scheme and reduced derogation levels.
Would it change the way milk is paid in favour of higher milk production that seems in favour in the uk, usa, nl etc.
Instead of a solids based payment, more milk more money
No. Costs too much money to evaporate the water.
Unfortunately this is the nonsense imbedded within the mainstream farming orgs and press
We export 90% of what we produce so the only supply reduction that would increase price is a worldwide supply reduction. And as now the majority of stainless steel is in farmer owned coops it is a cost that would have to be borne if these reductions happen.
Any stipulation which includes not leasing to a livestock farmer would effect land value rental wise anyway so would have to be taken into account. A straight forward retirement scheme may work as well as anything else as there seems to be a lack of a people to take over anyway
BUT there is plenty "voluntary" reduction at the moment and next year. No need for reduction scheme so might not happen. I hope it does for the lads that want it.
For the retirement scheme, is there a time after which the land may be farmed with cows again or is it locked up forever
I think it's time limited.
Government want a real-time immediate reduction to keep Europe happy, leaving it to naturally decline could take a good 10 years, alot of lads need a push to pull the pin, their also sterilising land that it will either have to go to tillage/forestry/male only beef farming
Their alterier motive is to sterilzie a good 250k plus hectares of land that it will be diverted to tillage/forestry their cute enough when you think about it, a retirement scheme just see the land go probably to another dairy man
How many kgs/dm/ silage per head would weanlings need whennon kale for the winter?
