Hey guys
Recently got a letter from the ESB that they would be around to upgrade the meter to a smart meter,
But since i have heard a loteof people say it will make the bill go up .
OIs there nay truth to that ?
My annual usage gives me no reason to change from a flat rate. The small savings on night and off peak is well cancelled by the increase in day rate. On top of that you have the anxiety of any irregular daytime use, electric lawn mowers, pressure sprayers, daytime instant showers /immersion etc, being billed at prohibitive rates. Don't even mention heat pumps on a cold day. I don't want to cook my dinner after 8.00 pm, or have this rate thing playing in my head.
Charging an EV at night is about the only advantage that could swing it. If your daily motoring is average, say 60km, then you will need about 14kwh nightly to recharge (85% efficiency meter to motor, and typical EV consumption of 20kwh/100km). At 25c night rate this is €3.50, instead of close to double that at day rate at home or even more at a charge station. I don't have an EV, but I'd save little if I did. For 60km daily travel, in a C segment car, 3 litres/day diesel costs about €4.60, marginally more than the €3.50 EV charge cost at night rate, and a lot less than if I charge at a kiosk or on inflated day rate.
The utility compamies do the math to make sure you get very little advantage. Doing two or three clothes washes after 8.00, then putting them on the clothes line in the middle if the night? Nah.
And no, your old meter was deadly accurate.
Well they could measure kva, which standard meters can't. Maybe not a lot of difference between va and watts in domestic premises. But still, not many opportunities to squeeze a few more cents out of us would be missed.
You pay X amount per KW. You are charged the same KW rate no matter what meter you have. Lots of tin foil hats out there. Some claim smart meters release radiation yet have no issues holding a mobile phone to their head. Many claimed all the trees would have to be cut down because 5G signal needs a clear line of sight. Yet I have strong 5G around most of Dublin & I haven't noticed large amounts of trees being cut down
I will say to be careful what plan you sign up to but this has nothing to do with the meter itself
Hi, sorry I know this is really old. That is my understanding as well. Smart meters don't cost more, it's the plans. I have read some posts on SM which were a bit tin foil hat in my opinion about why you shouldn't get one.
But the meter man came the other day and I told him we are getting our smart meter in a few weeks. He told me to 'do my research' I said do they cost more even if you don't switch to one of the plan? He wouldn't be drawn on it but just said look into it.
They don't cost more do they? The think I can possibly think is that a new meter might be better at recording our actual usage our 40 year old meter might have slowed down over the years?
Jesus, new to this thread and my head is spinning. Nearly finished a new house and need to sort a supplier before I can get connected. Just wondering would it be best to just go on a standard rate plan and review usage after a year. Seriously worried about bills, house is fully electric; heat pump, MVHR, hob/oven etc so I’m going to be using serious juice.
I noticed this the other day rang them straight away its working out at about €1 extra nearly every night. They said I would be reimbursed and someone from there smart team would contact me about the issue. If that happens remains to be seen.
This needs to be made public to anyone on a smart tariff as if they are using it correctly could be costly.
It looks like a trap tbh. I might contact EI and change over retrospectively, as I haven't had a bill in a year from BGE, my standing orders and govt. credits just keep accumulating on the online BGE account. Obviously a breakdown in communication of the readings from ESBN to BGE.
It saves the hassle of estimated bills and that’s about it.
We got a letter about this the other day. Think we're going to refuse the installation. Don't see the point in it TBH.
If you are with electric Ireland be carefulk if you are on a smart plan. Your times of use are not accurate and you should check them with electric ireland. They messed up the clock change and havent fixed the issue yet, so you could be using peak rate electricity when you think you arent.
My understanding if that once you activate smart metering and move to a smart tariff, you cannot revert to 24 meter type billing?
Only Electric Ireland offer something close to that. the other providers (energia, flogas, bord gas, airtricity etc) only have "smart" plans with daytime, peak and night-time rates.
Sorry, I'm new to researching all this, but would anyone have any experience of this? Not much help from speaking with the service providers.
This is my smart meter readings from installation last April until this March. I've shown the cost of three different BGE plans. Standard is the best it seems. The dishwasher is the only thing that might be put on night rate timer, it's often switched on last thing, otherwise night usage is just the fridge, and tvs on standby etc.
Day/Night is €150 more than Standard, Smart about €27 more.
I'm currently not on any plan, my last bill was the old meter one, BGE haven't used the new readings since the meter went in, or engaged with me on what plan I'd like. Meantime my fixed direct debits and the government subs are all accumulating for a year now. Last bill on Standard was €0.28/unit, I probably owe about €1232 plus all the standing charges, so I'm covered by the credit. I don't see any reason to move from standard, but I'm worried they might give me some line that I have to choose some 'Smart' plan other than the standard one.
From ESBn's paper, MCC02 configured RM107 are not switchable with MCC01 smart meters. I would guess no.
ESB only fits RM107 as per today. Can I activate a RM107 as MCC02 if I was previously on a 24hr plan MCC01?
I have it, was installed by default in new build. Most frustrating thing of all is that 80% of the time the 'smart' functionality is unavailable. If you log in to see usage, projected usage etc, they cannot be displayed.
So far, I'm seeing absolutely no reason to switch to this thing.
Ya no worries but I wasn't referring to smart only basic digital
Prior to smart metering
Anyway you answered my question
I said the below, and I dont think I'm misreading. I'm also talking about change 24 to DN on the old digital meters.
Site visit necessary. If new type of non smart meter (ie digital) that is capable of 24hr and DN, then no action. Otherwise replace the meter.
You're misreading me
Was talking about the change from 24 to day/nite on the old digital meters
However, from a supply company end, all meter type changes must be accompanied by a meter exchange request on the networks extranet.
No, they swap out the meter if the existing one cannot do the new tariff. I had a smart meter at the house when I bought it, we changed to Day Night and they came and removed the smart meter and replaced with a day night
No idea, this was from day one it was installed. To my believe, factory and providing all europe time bands for tariff's are the same, would make it simple explanation.
What were ESBN doing for all the customers changing from 24hr to day/nite up to now
They were hardly swopping out the existing digital meter which was already capable of both ?
Those can do 24hr and dual tariff
How they're configured I don't know or if they come factory set ?
things getting confusing...
You can switch but you need to get your supplier to request a meter change to go from MCC01 to MCC02.
My digital meter has t0, t1, t2 and counter t0=combined t1+t2 - would i still need meter replacement with this capability, should i choose to swich from MCC02-to-MCC01( or other way around) or just logical re-assigment at the ESB/suppl side?
You can switch but you need to get your supplier to request a meter change to go from MCC01 to MCC02. There is no change to this process, it's always been that way - requested by your supply company. The only complication is the current smart meters (RM106) cannot do MCC02 and future MCC02 compatible smart meters (RM107) cannot do MCC01.
Down the line, MCC01 and MCC02 will be legacy tariff codes probably not available to move to and grandfathered in for existing customers on those MCCs only, once theres a critical mass of smart meters on smart MCCs MCC12 or MCC16. All of RM106 and RM107 can do all smart tariffs, the difference is in the non smart part.
Would you agree, that at the moment, with current MCC01 MCC02 partial/incompatability its decreased in that prospective. Flexibility reduced and consummer options limited.
Unless the plan was/is to get rid of 24H/D/N and enroll ALL of us on smart tariff only.
i speculating here, but with "sweet talk" now, they promiss you option to stay on your current tariff for now. As was advised by ELM327, there is no return if you activate "smart" and apparently you can no longer switch between 24H / D/N if you got new meter but didnt activate - limited by meter itself
Was this advertised anywhere / user informed? I didnt come acros, nor i saw on leaflet they sent that user have option to decline.
When consumer is not provided with clarity it stinks...
Smart refers to the meter obviously and increased functionality
Then there's the issue of pricing and packaging and changing customer behaviour
i get that, firmware/software config to enter on meter t0=00-24, t1=08:00-23:00, t2=.... SAVE
SAVE
"Smart" is just to dumb to do that, isn't it, despite available remote access, no need to get engineer on site, etc. Perhaps i dont know someething about it 😊
When the digital came in for new builds round 2010 ? they were capable of dual-tarriff anyway
Presume they were just configured for either option
Wasnt aware of "old non smart", know analog and digital, perhaps there are digital that can only do 24H or only D/N
Anyway, i fail get my head around how "smart" cannot do all/any out of three tariffs, this like primary school math on the scrap paper, what to talk about sophisticated programs
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