Lukashenko has postponed his speech until tomorrow ?
Did the Russians put out (or Wagner) that Nazi guy was leading the convoy?
He seems an ideal candidate that would be appropriate for punishment in the Russian and World media.
If Wagner has any power remaining - this could get ugly
On June 26, the city military administration of the temporarily occupied Berdyansk confirmed that Tigran Ohannisyan and Nikita Khanganov were killed by the Russians .
Two 16 year old kids who took up arms against the Russian occupying forces were murdered.
Putin seems to be going back on his deal. No surprise there.
Interesting..
None of this makes sense. Even if you took the Russians and Wagner's word as gospel, it doesn't make sense.
Why is Putin making speeches at midnight, Moscow time with little notice? Why was Lukashenkos speech postponed? What was the point of a Lukashenko speech when Putin's speech said absolutely nothing?
The only thing that makes sense to me is that my opinion of Saturday. Putin is not running the country anymore. He was sent out to go on TV to announce something else and he wouldn't play ball. Lukashenko then had to cancel his speech.
Wagner has Russia by the balls somehow but we don't know how. There is absolutely no way Prigozhin has gone to Belarus without insurance. He's not stupid. He knows the windows are big.
The PM of Serbia is from the Serbian progressives Party, the deputy PM is from the Socialist party.
That's why they are soft on Putin.
There is still a soft spot for Russia across much of the Left in Europe.
There's going to be a Part 2?
I didn't see you post when I made mine but I did say that I think he was sent out on TV to say something and wouldn't play ball 😂
@Richard Hillman
The only thing that makes sense to me is that my opinion of Saturday. Putin is not running the country anymore.
Intriguing. Who would you say is running the country, then?
The Russian Deep State?
Girkin with his usual blast of candour
Could be the generals got together and decided to hang together instead of hanging one by one?
This has now been deleted. The tweet was an announcement (edit: see below screenshot) that he had Scott Ritter on his podcast to discuss what happened over the weekend in Russia. The fact that he deleted this tweet means that the first he must have heard of Scott Ritter's "history" were the hundreds of replies telling him about it(many showing Ritter's charge sheet and mugshot). I know his campaign is a massive joke but bloody hell!
Edit Edit: Looks like the podcast is still up:
the generals might decide they are safer without prigozhin or putin if uncertainty continues much longer
The more I think about this I am of the view someone saved Putin at the weekend and now has him in his pocket. This person or perhaps there is more than one person probably switched sides and betrayed Prigozhin. Or perhaps what is more likely is that they never switched sides but convinced Prigozhin that they had. I just don't think Prigozhin would have revolted otherwise. It would also help explain why he called it off despite it making him look weak in the eyes of his fighters, but self preservation is a good motivating factor.
@jmreire what are you doing hanging out over there with the right wing nationalists and the fascists? I didn't think you were that way aligned.
Maybe prig and luka have taken charge with putin as a basic spokesperson. Putin is one of the wealthiest people in the world and was worried he would be murdered, maybe he handed over control to keep his life and wealth. Prig looked very happy in that jeep leaving
Just being in Belgrade doesn't make you a fascist fellow traveller! It's actually a pretty interesting place.
Russia is such an enigma, I can't make any sense of what's going on there.
I wonder was Putin acting in good faith with this deal
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4063124-rfj-jr-says-russia-acting-in-good-faith-in-ukraine-invasion-us-in-part-to-blame-for-war/amp/
As a matter of interest which station was this on? I've had opportunity to watch a reasonable amount of Serbian TV (PCT, not the commercial channels) i've never seen a snigger on the equivalent of the ' o clock news').
It must be the most dysfunctional country and society in Europe by some considerable distance. Even Belarus is relatively normal in comparison.
In the alternate universe that wingnut lives in sure thats what happened.
You wonder?
Or you’re trying to take us for eejits and think we might fall for your “questions” whether Putin was acting in good faith.
Spare us.
It was a jab at Kinnedy.
Sorry!
I see what you did thar. 😏
I see two ways this can go
1. Putin fires Shoygu and Gerasimov. It means that the faction behind Prigozhin has won and they will force Putin out, probably through a successor that Putin will transfer the power to.
2. Putin tries to disarm the Wagner group. They will resist and this time they will not stop until they reach Moscow. Regardless of whether Prigozhin is alive/free or not. The military head of the group is a nutcase called Dmitry Utkin, aka Wagner. He can lead the rebellion with or without Prigo.
No, far from it. But Vucic controls the media, so he gets to control what goes out in the news, and he's pro Putin, big time. But recently there has been massive anti-Vucic protests in Belgrade calling for his resignation, and new elections because Serbian's can see the way things are going with Vucic, corruption and mafia rule ( they've seen them before!!!) and now they are calling for Rule of law, not rule of one man. In recent anti Vucic protests, Vucic had to bring bus loads of his supporters from the provinces to counter the opposition protest, even so, the opposition showed in far greater Nrs. No, just because they are definitely not fans of NATO ( they have their own reasons for that) does not automatically mean that they're the big fans of Putin that we are led to believe.
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