Not a good look. I wonder did he go because this was going to come to light?
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Tomayto Tomahto - call it what you like. The agency took a big chunk of RTE's money, about 1/3rd I think, and Tubridy got what was left.
What value did they add for that third?
I don't think the Directors of RTE can kick Tubridy to the kerb as they are in a sport of bother themselves. RTE are the main culprits here. It was their obligation to report RT's salary correctly.
I reckon the only way they can kick him to the kerb is to give him a financial cushion to land on to soften the blow.
Immaterial to what issue exactly?
One issue is he didnt correct the figure. Isnt that what his own statement said?
And he continued to collude in the deception to his financial advantage.
His role is relevant.
A TV chef or a footballer or actor might be able to play dumb and try to put all the blame on RTE and agent.
He has no credibility in his role to analyse current affairs or the state of the nation when he didnt correct the record given the publication by RTE of presenter salaries is a current affairs story.
Either he is incompetent in that role or a liar or both.
Not a look anyone wants to see on TV or radio discussing public affairs.
He is toxic.
I knew a contractor working in Ireland for a Jersey (IIRC) based employment agency - so no illegality there
Often wondered about Pat. He has a production company as well that makes over a million in profit,so maybe he does it to keep sharp,or genuinely enjoys it.
Not complaining anyway, he'll be a loss to the nation when he does hang up the spurs.
They didn't take a cut - they charged their commission on top
Since he left the LLS, his wage won't be as high as he is only doing radio work now.
There is no way Tubs will get back on the radio. No team will work with him and his listenership would drop off a cliff. I get the sense many other presenters are delighted he got exposed.
I don't disagree that it smells a bit off, but it isn't woefully unusual for money to be moved around like that.
Right. So he did take a pay cut.
Agreed, he has zero credibility now. Morally he probably should have spoken up. But he was under no obligation to do so.
What he is paid to do is immaterial to the issue. The issue is that RTE didn't report the correct figure.
All this he did nothing illegal chat is a total red herring.
If the board decide he has no future in RTE, as I suspect they will, they can drop him like a stone without any of the worries and responsibilities of employment law.
Sure, arrangements between RTE and Tuttle will be subject to contract law. And in the unlikely event the directors cannot find anything in the small print to claim breach of contract they still have option to call his bluff.
This is all about court of public opinion now, not the court of law.
The directors of RTE might, with some justification, feel that kicking Tubridy to the kerb is the right call for them regarding public opinion.
At which stage it will be up to Tubs to play his cards, if he feels that it is in his best interests to take it to the courts, then presumably he'll do so. I doubt he'll misread the room quite so spectacularly again though.
And bear in mind, whatever is left of his contract is only for his radio show. He's already walked away voluntarily from his LLS contractual commitments, thereby freeing RTE from theirs. Presumably the radio side of it is the smaller beer.
Yes, it probably is. Depends how his company is set up.
It may also be RTE laying part of NK agent fees for Tubridy. Normally there is a fee paid by the Star to the agent. It's why agents generally negotiate 3 years or so contracts. They then take a few if about 15%. Again it would be another way to keep Tubridy wages below 500k which seems to be the complete purpose of the excerise
That’s the issue though. The money wasn’t paid to his company by RTE.
It was paid by RTE to a UK agency, which took a huge slice off the top and then passed on what was left to his company.
It smells off.
What going to happen to all those hoping to build up a profile on Newstalk before escaping to the big bucks on RTE with a contract negotiated by NK management back to plan B to become a political advisor?
Yep, it's Tub's obligation to know what's in his contract. But even if he knew the contract off by heart, it doesn't change the fact that it was RTE's obligation to report his salary correctly. That wasn't Tub's obligation.
I'd say most of the old journalists and presenters are on the gravy train and that's why they don't want to retire. Again, not illegal.
Very well put.
As shown above his credibility is shot. He has no chance of redemption.
He was making a virtue out of him taking pay cuts...
"I've taken a pay cut before, I took over 30pc the last time and they've asked for more, which would bring it up to about 45pc or thereabouts since I took 'The Late Late Show'," he said. And when it comes to this sort of issue that's not something I've been found wanting in, and that continues to be the case."
while receiving hidden payments which lessoned those cuts by a third.
He is not an actor or footballer getting paid over the odds by Hollywood or an oligarch.
These are public funds effectively being misapprpriated.
He is paid to commentate on current affairs, to understand the public mood and to do so from a position of respect...
That is completely shot to bits - that he didnt he needed to correct the incorrect public figure?
That he went along with the RTE lies about pay cuts while pocketing these sums under the counter?
He has zero credibility commentating on current affairs after this.
He lied by omission.
You dont have to do something illegal to destroy a public facing career.
Do you think it's legal to get paid via another jurisdiction that he has no working or personal ties to?
Sorry what part of getting 75k a year through a third party and hardly providing them any service while your employer credits that company with the same amount and gives another credit note to facilitate the process is not collusion. What part of seeing your wages published and it's short by 75k and you stay mum. And it not like you did not know about it as the deal fell apart after a year and the employer has underwritten the amount. Are you saying they Tubridy did not read his own contract terms.
That is colluding to keep information from the board of the company.
In any private company he be sacked and left go to court to try to enforce the contract.
Did Tubridy read the terms of his contract before signing I be absolutely shocked if he did not. Did he not ask what can the 75k not be paid to me directly. This was not a once off. Previous to this there was 20-50 k payments to keep his pay below 500k. Add to that he was supposed to take a 15% iay cut three years ago and in reality by use of the barter system got a pay rise.
That is collusion
As a senior employee you are expected to do nothing that will bring your employer into disrepute. He colluded to bring the RTE brand into disrepute.
That is a sacking offence in private industry
Where did he lie? Well when he said in numerous interviews that he took a pay cut. If that's not a lie, what is it? Nobody who works on his radio show wants to work with him as they all took pay cuts whilst he said he did when he never did.
Exactly - paid to a third party to hide the payment to NK and Tubs who it was always intended for
While I kind of agree with you in the sense that he most likely didn't know the details of how his contract was constructed, ignorance is no defense. I looked up most of those contracted presenters and journalists on contracts and an amount is in their late fifties to late sixties all appear to be wealthy, do they have nothing else going on in their lives, noting they want to move on to other things they want to do, although not RTE, Pat Kenny is 75, it's like they are all trapped or something very unhealthy.
Not if it was legal to do so.
Legally, with the facts as we know them at the moment, RTE are the ones who have the questions to answer, assuming Tubridy tax affairs are in order.
That said we don't really know how he was paid in 17, 18 and 19- etc....
Morally, being a preachy **** on one hand and not practicing what the preachy **** was preaching about is what will kill his whole public persona, a public persona that his income to this point has relied upon.
So legally, with the known facts as they are now he is in the clear.
Moreso,RTEs reputation is in tatters no matter what the outcome of various reports.
I have been an annual license payer as I do believe public broadcasting is worth it but this has put the nail in that coffin far as I am concerned that's it for me. I think there will be tens of thousands like me if not more. That's a massive problem for RTE and the state in general. Probably comes at a good time as all of this is up for review anyway.
Let's put it this way though, I won't be supporting any organisation that pays its staff in excess of what the head of state is getting in future, it was questionable as it was.
Why did he give interviews saying he was happy to take a pay cut when he actually got the money through this barter account? Is that not dishonest?
Again, I'm not trolling here but there's nothing illegal with being a greedy ba5tard. And where did he lie? Looks more like RTE lied (or made an error, take your pick) rather than Tubs.
Would you happily take a pay cut? I know I wouldn't. I'd want to be paid as much as I possibly could. Again, nothing wrong with that.
It seems like it's a crime here in Ireland to be paid a good salary.
If that's the case, he could be in more trouble.
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