That's good. The question then becomes whether Prigozhin believes there is justification for Russia attempting to hold onto the Ukrainian territories it has taken since Feb 24th, 2022.
Admittedly, the much larger question is still whether Prigozhin could unseat Putin or his military officials. That very much remains to be seen.
Classic
I doubt it.
Shoot them or take them out to dinner?
Why would the US interfere in this. This is Christmas for the Ukrainians. Certainly Wagner are not a particularly good individuals by any measure. However whoever wins will need to secure Russian borders in actual Russia and prevent further rebellions. This means great things for the Ukraine and gives time to load up that border by the time either Putin or Wagner is ready to invade again.
I suspect the entire issue of needing to protect their power base if they do take over is why they are against the war in Ukraine. If they take over they need to protect Moscow and purge the army of any elements loyal to Putin. This, and the all losses already suffered in Ukraine, leaves little to continue that war with.
Putin's plane was tracked leaving Moscow and landing in Tver 180km away.
Wagner have military power but little political power.
There are certain to be oligarchs lining up behind this and all they will want is their cushy old no sanctions lives back. Shooting and blaming Putin is the only out Russia have in this war and they will take it.
The tankies are all very quiet today...
Of course there are scenarios which could lead to it but let's say Putin nukes the Wagner army south of Moscow that would just turn every Russian against him. They're not a very popular weapon to use unless an outside country is invading yours and even at that the general public would still be wary.
For Ukraine this needs to drag on for at least 2 week's. The frontlines are stocked and they'd have reserve stockpiles already in Ukraine. So these need to run out before Ukraine could make any serious gains.
350km away from Moscow now.
Russia was pleaded to and warned repeatedly not to invade as it would be a risky venture and come with a cost.
Russia is funked thanks to the elite who supported the lock up of opp and killing journalists
Dangerous times for the world because of nukes in vodka swilling maniacs
Embassy's leaving will be the next level putin is a dead man walking.
I'm loving this story unfold. Just need to hear more orcs and putrid sympathisers crying for their fatherland. I hope this is the start of russia's implosion. The Finns can take back land they lost in their war, the Poles can have Kalingrad, the Chinese can take back their lands in exchange for giving up on Taiwan. I'm seeing opportunity everywhere as russia is dismemberred!
They're quiet every day.
Pretty sure the west are as surprised as Putin and wouldn't back this
And Prigozhin would definitely not be a choice the west would pick, remember this is sledgehammer guy whos Wagner group has caused atrocities all around the world, in this war his guys have been the most brutal with torture, and he could be much worse than Putin
So no the Russians probably wont take this lightly
This is entirely a homegrown crisis. It is a direct consequence of launching a brutal and unjustifiable war on a neighbouring sovereign country. What we're seeing is what many more thoughtful analyses I've read have predicted - the war is coming back to Russia.
It doesn't change the nuclear threat in my view, as you obviously can't use nuclear weapons against your enemies when your enemies are amongst you.
No reason to nuke the west , but also logically, sending a nuke to the west still doesn't stop what's happening IN russia
So there's a chance of Crimea party this summer?
Nuclear war against who?
There is no way this is backed by the west.
Stop FFS.
Nobody knows but one things for sure a coup or civil war in a nuclear armed nation isn't something to be getting excited over.
First line of defensives broken through by Wagner
The BBC has a much more sober take on the whole thing. Says mood in Moscow is very relaxed, points out that Prigozhin is in a meeting with the deputy defence minister to try and sort this out, and that he's still wary of attacking Putin directly. Things are tense but he reckons talk of a civil war is very premature. I guess next 1-2 days will reveal a lot, could go any way
Odd saying that when helicopters are shot out of the sky.
Arguably the worst scenario is that Putin simply gives Prigozhin the job of being in charge of the Russian army and Putin remains in place. The Russian army would be fsr stronger with him as leader, and far more brutal for the Ukrainians. I would really hope the Ukrainians are making the most of this and going g for an all out push on multiple fronts now.
If Putin and Prigozhin come to quick resolution then it will be right back into Ukraine with a lot more determination and brutality.
Who would want that psycho with his finger on the button
Looking at the Russian press and they are far from relaxed. They are using "rebellion" and "armed uprising" in all their headlines.
Fuk that apologist bullsht.
Russia had the world fooled for years, when in fact all that was needed to take it over was some clapped out old trucks and a few guys with guns. Russia is now there for the taking, China, America, Europe, all could conquer it in a day.
Wow lots of new posters popping up saying the exact same thing.
Never seen that on Boards before.
The thing that can come from all this is that the internal struggle dilutes their ability, they are far too stretched and then Ukraine can counter far more effectively as there is turmoil and figuring out who has the orders to give what exactly.
From then, Ukraine has taken everything back bar Crimea. Crimea is given an independent state (Like Hong Kong) and everything else ends.
🤣🤣Hilarious!!
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