Not a good look. I wonder did he go because this was going to come to light?
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You know you'll have to get rid of your telly if you do this?
Exactly. One of the first rules of journalism is to never become the story.
Pay the TV license is my advice
But don't expect anything to come from the report
huh?
there have been 25 posts since then, none from twitter. where did you get 'all we have is copy and paste from twitter'?
I am going to wait, I was planning to pay but I know that RTÉ are paid monthly from the department basis on the Licence fee returns from An Post for the month (IMO a bizarre situation), so IMO if your license fee is due for renewal or if you are paying a monthly DD, stop until at least the end of the year.
You know the thread is dead when all we have is copy and paste from twitter
At least Billy Keane is a gentleman, a sound individual who doesn’t resort to demeaning and tearing strips off people who don’t completely concur with his opinions. I would disagree with his opinion, but he stands to me atm as a decent man.
I don't know but I think the time is long overdue for a full Revenue audit of every payment made to these 'front companies' set up by these so-called top presenters to reduce their tax liability, and whether they were reported correctly. It wouldn't surprise me in the maneuvers RTE executed to conceal these payments they didn't adhere to tax or corporate reporting rules.
The whole arrangement must end. They should be on PAYE fixed time contracts and if they don't like it they can jog on out of RTE and let the door hit them on the way out. That arrangement would be more understandable if it is a 'gigging' time consultant or presenter role, not someone who signed a guaranteed multi year contract.
I'm tempted to cancel my TV license DD. However, I am going to wait and see and not have a knee jerk reaction right now. I'll see how the wind is blowing and if there is a complete snow job then cancel it is.
What are you all thinking of doing? - well those of you who pay the license fee in the first place that is!
Did he pay tax on this extra income?
So no surprise that Moya now has a spokesman :-)
Also no surprise that the IT are misrepresenting the RTE Board's competence by not mentioning Moya only setup ARC on her last day in office. (Every single last editor at the IT knows this as it was one of the hot topics at all the Christmas parties in D4.)
Fact is that Moya's Board of willfully ignored their duties. Perhaps all those "highly respected" "decent" "professionals" simply did not notice that there was no Audit & Risk Committee for the EIGHT years beforehand. LOL!
https://www.irishtimes.com/media/2023/06/24/rte-in-turmoil-over-hidden-payments-to-ryan-tubridy-after-evidence-surfaced-about-weak-financial-controls/
Tubridy / NK etc + apologists must by deductive logic believe that the majority of duly angry RTE staff are trolls, “mentally ill”, “losers”, “lonely”, “not working” & all the various terms used.
It's no defense for either RTÉ or Tubs.
Re the article covered this morning by Billy Keane who is a self processed friend of Tubridy , Keane says being on large salaries dosent make people any less human. This is a straw man argument. The issue, Billy is not whether the salary was large or not. The issue is the secrecy and sneakiness surrounding the payments. People like Billy Keane are deliberately missing the point, muddying the waters in the hope Tubridys reputation comes out of this intact. His fans will still have high regard for him lm sure, but many will see this whole sorry story as another grubby tale of corruption …
Baure and Commicorp know what they are doing with presenters. Hook was a curmudgeon, Yeats was trying to be a shock jock and Cuddihy is a bore and there to hold on to the audience created by Hook and Yeats, VMTV did it with tonight show, realizing that retaining an audience is more important that growing one at a certain point in the life of a programme, and you can reduce costs on staff presenters, only Pat Kenny survives, and he did his job to bring in an audience and he did that, I imagine his contract at some point wont be renewed because NewsTalk now has the audience. However, it does mean that you end up with vapid commentators on NewsTalk, trying to defend RTÉ presenters and castigate RTÉ's management.
One doesn’t have to technically commit a crime to lose the room, in fact there are individuals who have been convicted of crimes for standing my their own principles and who have had majority public admiration.
He lied by omission about taking the pay cut that he did, not revealing he was getting paid under the counter.
He lied by omission in not correcting the public statement of his RTE remuneration, leaving out sums coming from RTE.
Scumbag comment trying to use mental illness as an insult.
I hadn't heard that about Hook, but I guess that's a risk of hiring an grouchy old opinionated dinosaur.
But he illustrates the point I'm making. Hook was hired precisely he was grouchy and opinionated, that was his job and that was what the audience expected. And then lost his job for being too grouchy and opinionated.
Tubridy doesn't really do strong opinions and insights, he job was to be inoffensive, holier than thou, clean as a whistle. That's why this is a problem.
If the audience now know Tubridy is not clean is whistle what's his attraction? Couple that with his attempt to shaft RTE and I think he's in trouble.
You ran away from the question when it was put to you yesterday.
Either he did something wrong (as per his statement) OR he lied in the statement.
There's no two ways about it.
The reason you won't answer the question is then you won't be able to keep up this nonsense "for no fault of his own".
It's this simple:
https://i.redd.it/9koime8skv7b1.jpg?app_web_view=android
Hook was past it anyway. From a different era.
He'll spend a year out in the cold possibly, and then worm his way back in.
Regarding hook, I suspect it wasn't so much what he had been caught saying, it's what he was known to say which didn't make it public. I have heard from several sources that what he was like off mic was a lot worse than what caught him out on mic. They were probably worried of what he might say and got rid of him once they had a workable excuse.
I don't think Tubs committed a crime. But I also know that there are crimes outside of murder, sexual assaults, assault and other heinous crimes. You can commit financial crimes, which can have heinous outcomes and/or lead to other heinous crimes.
RTÉ reporting of fees to their top stars is mainly a lie, because I don't think there is any legislation surrounding the publication of these fees, there is no legislation which says that they must produced them every second year, if there was RTÉ have failed to produce those figures on time on a number of years, including those in question. But really RTÉ could pick those figures out of the air and it would have no effect on their proper published Annual Reports, the only thing they did was to lie about those figures.
These reported figures are an agreement between RTÉ and the government going back to the late 1990s when the Minister for Arts and the cabinet would see them, I think around 2002 Bertie said that they should be published to the public. At least I can only go as far back as 2002. And I have a vague memory of this, and it would line up to an election year. (Released in 2004).
I know someone in a working in a bit of the public service which had a lot of contractd employees, anyway they were convinced that the contracted employees where dying to get an actual position with said public service. The contracted employees all left when they were offered paid positions. The individual I knew was absolutely stunned that they turn down the holy grail of permenant and pensionable.
Then how it’s been handled has added to this. First we had NKM and Tubs come out with their two fingered unapologetic “nothing to do with me” messages, then a swift backtrack to #ContriteTubs and sad face “I did a bad thing but it’s really RTE’s fault” apology which also did more harm than good and raises even more questions. Even is his “apology” he refuses to take the blame, shifting it mostly onto RTÉ. He had a chance to save himself with a full apology, take the blame, offer to donate the money to charity etc., but no, “it’s not really my fault, it’s those bad eggs in RTÉ” . I don’t know who is scoring him, but they have judged this VERY badly from a PR perspective.
This 100%. If his initial reaction had been a bit more contrite, I think his chances of staying at RTE would have been far greater.
They obviously negotiated the contract together in the clear understanding the additional payments were a way to get around the requirement to publish his salary. For Tubridy to come out so quickly and shaft RTE by saying "It's all their fault, I've no idea why they did this" must have burnt some bridges for him in RTE management, both at executive and board level.
From the public's point of view the good guy persona boy next door he portrays himself as is all part of the job.
When he's making public statements about his willingness to take pay cuts - “When it comes to this sort of issue, that’s not something I’ve ever been found wanting in and that continues to be the case, yeah.” - whilst simultaneously making deals to conceal the fact he wasn't in fact taking a paycut, that good guy persona has been irretrievably tarnished.
Is this had been somebody like Eamonn Dunphy I think career prospects wise it would be less damaging, as being clean as a whistle was not his USP.
And people like Kevin Myers, Sean O'Rourke and George Hook have been dropped like a stone for less.
I think after his first statement Tubridy's career will be luck to survive this. He's antagnosised RTE and the public. His problem is if RTE drop him over this, nobody else will employ him. He doesn't have a gargantuan talent to carry him through.
I know I’m not the problem. Perhaps my sarcasm was a little too subtle there…I must work on that.
but if you think Tubs isn’t in a mountain of 💩 right now then you’re as deluded as the man himself was when he issued his “nothing to do with me” reply last Thursday.
I think he’s doing a fantastic job of destroying the illusion of the myth of the character he created himself actually.
I wonder what Rory Coveney (RTE Strategy Director) knew about this "oversight". Maybe Simon could ask him.
I've never really understood how many of the top ten are employed through a contract with their "company". I worked for a time in a semi-state and about eight or ten years ago there was a flurry of activity in the Finance Dept to "shake the tree", identify anyone working for us as a company under that sort of arrangement, and put them on an employee contract - thereby stopping them flushing their income through a company with all the benefits of a different tax regime. IIRC, the argument that Revenue had put to Finance was that if the majority (or maybe the totality) of the contractor's work was for one company, they were de facto an employee. That doesn't appear to be so in RTE. How come so
PS I am not a finance expert so am happy to be corrected
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