Worse than the current regime? The one that's been deporting Ukrainian children, targeting civilian infrastructure, torturing/slaughtering Ukrainian civilians and causing ecological disasters? The only reason the current regime hasn't been even worse to Ukrainians is because they've been successfully held back. The only things they could do to be worse are things that have been stated as red lines by western powers, i.e. use of chemical and nuclear weapons. Prigozhin would be as hamstrung by this red line as Putin is.
I doubt it. If he overthrow Putin, it probably in his interest to get the Russian army out of Ukraine. He will probably try to do a deal to hold onto Crimea if he can.
If he’s a complete idiot, yes. Why would he make the same mistake as Putin having witnessed what a cluster it was first hand.
Steady progress northwards
The the only successful part of of any Russian military plan since Syria has just been to level whole cities from afar.
How the fek are they gonna deploy that tactic against the Wagner "special military operation"
They're probably too busy under arrest I'm St Petersburg or marching on Moscow still confused about what side their bread is buttered on.
his "way out" to not continue the war was his recent video of how everyone was lied to for why they invaded ukraine. I honestly would not be surprised to see him be even worse to the ukranians than the current regime if he ever got to power
Admiral all round how Ukraine have handled this war. I honestly don't think they would have won it without a comedian as commander in chief.
Throughout they have used humor as a tool which has only annoyed the Russians and the hot heads have made some awful decisions on the back of that as they don't like being mocked.
If Wagner man overthrows Putin he’s likely to make a no holds barred attack on Ukraine, his main problem was he wasn’t getting enough support from Moscow
Prigozin had no choice. When the Kremlin decided his for es were tone assimilated into the Russian army he either revolted or learned how to survival trip out a window.
He has managed to withdraw his army behind the Russian army in Ukraine. The question is how much of the regular Russian army is between him and Moscow.
There is many questions that will be answered o er the next few days. How loyal are the Wagner commanders and troops to him. Will the Russian army act as one entity to stop him. Are the messages of support for Putin by area leaders hollow support.
Take Kadyrov. Yes he send a message of support to Putin. However how will he get his troops between Wagner and Moscow. The question is will he want to. Would he be the scarfical lamb if he did taking serious losses. Can he afford those losses and continue to control Chechnya.
If Prigozin succeeds the present Russian federation will break up. Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan will all probably become semi independent states of not fully independent so will Kadyrov really risk committing his army to stop Prigozin.
Another question has Prigozin got support within the regular RA at military commander level. If they refuse to get get involved, delay deploying there troops or even some if them join Wagner, then The Chef has a 50/50 chance. It's the loyalty of the Russian Air force that could well decide this.
RU preparing to blow the bridges leading to Moscow.
Clever. If Wagner can get their hands on fuel and ammunition supplies then they can really make a go of this. Knocking out fuel depots is a good way of constraining them.
Early reports Wagner pushing into Tula region unopposed.
Russians v Russians
Like any politicla defeat were many strands to that one and Prigozhyn's troll farms pumping disinformation into the likes of facebook were one of them - as were the GRU's hacking of the DNC servers. Trump almost certainly didn't collude with the Russians but he definitely benefited from their work.
I'm not going to derail the thread talking about American politics from yesteryear so I won't say any more on the matter.
Countdown to "new" posters doing the same here in 5.. 4.. 3..
well shag me sideways! went to bed last night thinking 'ah sure its yer man from wagner having a bit of a rant' to this...never thought id seem him rolling towards moscow!!
Watching the news channel and the impression I get from some of the commentators is that Wagner should have stayed and solidified their position in Rostov rather than push on.
Don't big him up.
Hilary and her own strategists lost that election.
Same as Donald and his mouth cost him a 2nd term, no one else.
The clowns weigh in-
I'm warming to the idea that Prigozhin has turned and is now an American asset 😊
The sight of Zelensky and Biden sitting in Red Square eating ice cream in a weeks time is interesting.
Keep an eye on Chinese military movements on Russian borders within the next few hours also
That's a thing putin himself likes to spin through his propaganda machine both at home and abroad.
I remember mentioning the need to renew my popcorn subscription a couple months ago. I see the AFU were of the same mind :P
I bet Steven Seagull has taken up arms to fight for Putin and hasn't boarded a plane for Turkey.
Hilarious how Russia media is paralysed as it awaits it's "orders"..
He's giving it up in October cos he's burned out. I'm not surprised given how relentless he has been - especially since it's basically a hobby.
With a bit of luck and given this turn of events the conflict in Ukraine might be finished before he's done.
This is brillant
Monty Python meets the Marx Brothers. It's all a plan to get out of Ukraine without being defeated by the Ukrainian army. Lukashenko must be losing sleep wondering what is going to happen next.
A Transcript from Prigozhin's audio message at 10:19AM BST
I would say his double is sitting Moscow panicking trying to grow a beard
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