Fighterbomber who is reliable confirms this.
Claim that its all Biden's doing, while claiming that Biden has dementia and should be recovered from office?
Certainly seems to be the message that a good few of the names on the first page of this thread are going with in other threads on here and other sites.
Hard to see where this "march for justice" ends up in terms of change within Russia, and the Ukrainian leadership may take a while to see what occurs before leaping into any deployment of troops.
Oryx's is on it! (well the vehicles anyway I presume)
And yet he remains (all together now!) A Master Strategist!
(I’ll never get sick of that :P)
Thought he was retiring because nobody would give him a job
Wow, went to bed last night fearing that this was all some sort of elaborate hoax.
But seeing now what is happening in Russia is just glorious.
No matter what happens from now on this can only benefit Ukraine. I am just hoping that this doesn't all end to quickly, hopefully the wagnerites have just enough support to make this last.
I think the US will be able to advise the Ukranians enough on whether they should now seize this opportunity to go full out or not, but they may need to take this opportunity now before things settle down again IMO.
If someone strong took charge and said Russia was going to join the EU the Russian public would get behind it. They are completely disengaged from politics. Just someone take charge anyone. The czar, communists, drunk alcoholic, gangsters , anyone.
The idea of that malcontent Chay Bowes moving to Moscow to peddle Kremlin lies and there being an attempted coup a few weeks later is just very amusing.
I would say his double is sitting Moscow panicking trying to grow a beard
A Transcript from Prigozhin's audio message at 10:19AM BST
Monty Python meets the Marx Brothers. It's all a plan to get out of Ukraine without being defeated by the Ukrainian army. Lukashenko must be losing sleep wondering what is going to happen next.
This is brillant
He's giving it up in October cos he's burned out. I'm not surprised given how relentless he has been - especially since it's basically a hobby.
With a bit of luck and given this turn of events the conflict in Ukraine might be finished before he's done.
Hilarious how Russia media is paralysed as it awaits it's "orders"..
I bet Steven Seagull has taken up arms to fight for Putin and hasn't boarded a plane for Turkey.
I remember mentioning the need to renew my popcorn subscription a couple months ago. I see the AFU were of the same mind :P
That's a thing putin himself likes to spin through his propaganda machine both at home and abroad.
I'm warming to the idea that Prigozhin has turned and is now an American asset 😊
The sight of Zelensky and Biden sitting in Red Square eating ice cream in a weeks time is interesting.
Keep an eye on Chinese military movements on Russian borders within the next few hours also
The clowns weigh in-
Don't big him up.
Hilary and her own strategists lost that election.
Same as Donald and his mouth cost him a 2nd term, no one else.
Watching the news channel and the impression I get from some of the commentators is that Wagner should have stayed and solidified their position in Rostov rather than push on.
well shag me sideways! went to bed last night thinking 'ah sure its yer man from wagner having a bit of a rant' to this...never thought id seem him rolling towards moscow!!
Countdown to "new" posters doing the same here in 5.. 4.. 3..
Like any politicla defeat were many strands to that one and Prigozhyn's troll farms pumping disinformation into the likes of facebook were one of them - as were the GRU's hacking of the DNC servers. Trump almost certainly didn't collude with the Russians but he definitely benefited from their work.
I'm not going to derail the thread talking about American politics from yesteryear so I won't say any more on the matter.
Russians v Russians
Early reports Wagner pushing into Tula region unopposed.
Clever. If Wagner can get their hands on fuel and ammunition supplies then they can really make a go of this. Knocking out fuel depots is a good way of constraining them.
RU preparing to blow the bridges leading to Moscow.
Prigozin had no choice. When the Kremlin decided his for es were tone assimilated into the Russian army he either revolted or learned how to survival trip out a window.
He has managed to withdraw his army behind the Russian army in Ukraine. The question is how much of the regular Russian army is between him and Moscow.
There is many questions that will be answered o er the next few days. How loyal are the Wagner commanders and troops to him. Will the Russian army act as one entity to stop him. Are the messages of support for Putin by area leaders hollow support.
Take Kadyrov. Yes he send a message of support to Putin. However how will he get his troops between Wagner and Moscow. The question is will he want to. Would he be the scarfical lamb if he did taking serious losses. Can he afford those losses and continue to control Chechnya.
If Prigozin succeeds the present Russian federation will break up. Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan will all probably become semi independent states of not fully independent so will Kadyrov really risk committing his army to stop Prigozin.
Another question has Prigozin got support within the regular RA at military commander level. If they refuse to get get involved, delay deploying there troops or even some if them join Wagner, then The Chef has a 50/50 chance. It's the loyalty of the Russian Air force that could well decide this.
If Wagner man overthrows Putin he’s likely to make a no holds barred attack on Ukraine, his main problem was he wasn’t getting enough support from Moscow
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