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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭rogber


    Yet another response that basically translates as "this doesn't fit the narrative I want, therefore it must be bullsh*t".

    It's CNN running the article, not Pravda. I suspect they have reliable sources, and it's striking the same note of caution to be found in recent BBC and guardian articles. Not saying all is doom and gloom, but certainly not the "Russian defences will collapse in 2 weeks and Crimea is Ukrainian again by July " nonsense that flooded this place until recently



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Prediction from social media in relation to the war in Ukraine, where information coming from the battlefield is limited at best, aren't worth the paper they're not printed on.

    It appears Ukraine has got the moskovyte defensive resources active and is reported to be taking them out at an accelerated rate. As posted above 44 pieces of the moskovyte artillery were reported destroyed in the last 24 hours as well as lots of other equipment putin's forces need to hold on to the piece of Ukraine they occupy. Last nights missile attacks from putin on Ukraine are reported to have had 13 out of 13 missiles intercepted. It's still a very difficult situation for Ukraine but I think I can see from what is being reported signs of improvements for them and hope it continues to improve and would not write off the chances of a collapse from putin's forces in the not so distant future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    One has to remember.

    At the start of Desert Storm, the US-led coalition led 100,000 sorties over 42 days, which destroyed large parts of the Iraqi army in Kuwait and elsewhere.

    This was the first two phases of the war. Phase 3 was the land invasion.


    What the West is saying to Ukraine, is to fight a NATO type of war, with NATO weapons without Air superiority. That is a challenging thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Still probing the Russian defensive lines. I'd guess the anonymous western officials (mentioned above) expected Ukraine to launch an all out counteroffensive right off the bat.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Citing the deputy defense minister of Ukraine. Try focus on what the first tweet says and then it explains why we haven't seen Strykers, Marders, CV-90’s (as mentioned in the second tweet)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,789 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    I'd say the dam explosion, Russian airforce back with a bang and Russian defenses holding well, has probably caused the UAF to do a rethink.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Because not all of the equipment has been ready or delivered,said it weeks ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Who said it weeks ago? I'm sure who ever said that had proof and not just speculation or citing unknown sources!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,300 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    "deporting all Russian citizens back to their home country"


    Tell me how that happens? Do you deport someone who has lived here for 30 years, has kids and owns a business?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I said it.

    Besides named sources seems to cause meltdowns in some corner's,as previously seen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Was bound to happen that Putin would be in 2 places at once, having a live video conference while laying a wreath 20mins away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Why would people have meltdowns over named sources? I'd take them over unnamed sources any day of the week.

    Zero sight on the Frontline of the 40x Marders or the 12 or so challenger tanks, despite already being delivered weeks ago. Ukrainian officials stating only 25/30% of the AFU counteroffensive force are currently engaged in the probing and you come away with the assumption the rest of the western vehicles haven't been delivered or delivered and not ready (I take 'not ready' to mean not battle ready and not, 'not ready to engage')



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,300 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    So deport them no matter who they are or what they contribute to society?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭rogber


    What a bizarre new contribution from him. Can never quite tell what his endgame is but he's starting to resemble the Marlon Brando character in Apocalypse Now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    I just pictured that, and now need to go and have a lie down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭rogber


    Let's hope so. The question then will be what Putin orders if his back is against the wall and will the army carry it out or turn against him. But let's see if we even get to that point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,097 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I'd like say he's starting to resemble Cotton Hill.

    He killed fiddy thousand men (from his own side).



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Maybe yes and no. Part of putin's Russia from the early days of his junta and something different to what had recently gone before(though was very much a tactic of Stalin), was very cleverly sowing an orchestrated confusion sociopolitic among the home crowd. As well as obviously backing putin's regime, they also infiltrated and backed different groups within Russia. EG they'd back anti nazi groups and nazi groups. Pro western and anti western, pro democracy and anti democracy, pro religious and anti religious, pro putin and anti putin and so on. More, they could be quite open about doing all this. I would say Russians have always been much better than western powers at this sorta thing. I mean look at how they've got the US right behind them. Who would have believed that ten years ago.

    Now obviously this gave them the advantage of heads ups to looming threats, but it did far more; it sowed confusion among the Russian peoples. They couldn't trust the truth of any group, or the truth of Russia herself, beyond "Russia is great" and "putin is a stabilising influence". If nothing is Truth(c) other than putin and Russia, you'll tend to fall back to the position of putin/Russia is the only truth. I've long noted this cognitive dissonance and suspicion of political and social trends and realities among the Russian folks I've known who grew up with this. IMHO it's why you see the same cognitive dissonance and support among ex pat Russians in the west. They are exposed to more realities, but quite simply don't believe them. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make them drink if they are confused about what water itself is.

    Aside: The view of Prigozhin among the Russians I know varies and is itself confused. When he first started coming out with the negative stuff they were very surprised that he was being very "non Russian" for speaking out of turn, then it was explained away as him suffering from PTSD/war stress, then it was "he's playing the fool to confuse the west", but overall it was again confusion.

    So I personally see Prigozhin as one of these confusion actors. He's also a pressure release valve for those who see this war as bloody stupid, while at the same time note he never criticises Russia or putin. He aims at the military command and commanders. He's even accused them of planning a coup. This sends an indirect message to them(and any other potential coup types) from putin via Prigozhin that it'll be their heads on the block. And well they know that while Prigozhin's lips are moving he is voicing putin's words. Again IMHO there's no way in hell Prigozhin would get so much airtime to come out with this stuff if putin didn't approve. Prigozhin is very close to putin. Indeed if you want to know what putin is likely thinking I would suggest listening to Prigozhin is one of the best ways to do so.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭Dubh Geannain


    The density of mines must be staggering and no doubt make quick progress in any direction slow.


    Plenty of clips of Russians hitting their own mines but add to that, even the Ukrainians are firing mines behind the Russians to prevent Russian reserves arriving quickly to the contact areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Do similar to the US with the ESTA, where you fill in your social media handles and they go checking your history for red flags.

    Anyone supporting a genocidal war, supporting a government that has threatened to nuke Ireland, has declared Ireland an enemy etc... Maybe just maybe that would be a reason to not issue a visa?

    Regardless of what country they are from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    I don't see any named sources here to back that up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The confirmation bias is quite amusing.

    CNN citing "a senior US military official" is fake news, but dubious Twitter accounts posting stuff with no evidence is perfectly fine, just as long it's what they want to hear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The cv90s only recently arrived ,the Challengers are there and some other vehicles, i still think there's shortages of equipment and weapons hence why we haven't seen a lot of armoured vehicle action and the little we have seen didn't go the way we initially Hoped, but then again minefields and heavy artillery is a bad day for any assault without air and artillery cover



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Pfffh, Forbes 🙄 I'd personally need better than that source and more names.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Christy42


    It takes several years to get to that point and many would not have seen reason to bother before recent incidents.


    Any Russian I have met (and I am aware there are others) have cited Putin as the reason they are not in Russia. Why punish them for fleeing a horrific dictator?


    Finally treating them is a weapon. No skin off our back (and we benefit from their labour) and it shows their family back home someone living a better life outside the country. There is no particular benefit to the Ukraine, indeed many may be used as cannon fodder in the war against their will which seems like your plan will actively hurt the Ukraine (presuming countries with bigger populations than Ireland followed along).


    East Berlin blocks tended to not have windows pointed west as they were worried people in office blocks that could see over the wall and would see people living a better life. These days zoom calls home will provide the same hit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I read that, it doesn't actually back up anything of what you said.



  • Posts: 593 ✭✭✭ Kiera Large Griddlecake


    Unlikely anyone would be deported. They can simply claim asylum.

    ”I would be forced to fight in a war if I’m sent back”

    Our government will not deport someone if they are likely to be killed.

    We are lucky we have not have had an influx of Russians seeking asylum. That would be an interesting mix.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout




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