Hopefully a good outcome ahead.
Sub named Titan.
Who will conduct the investigation?
5 people including 2 billionaires dead and you don't think there will be an investigation?
I don't agree.
The Polar Prince is owned by Horizon Maritime, a Canadian company. The vessel that operated the ROV that found the debris is the Horizon Arctic, which is also owned by Horizon Maritime, and it arrived on scene within the reserve oxygen time frame. One could argue that since Horizon Maritime didn't own a suitable ROV themselves, that they were a bit negligent, but it doesn't look like anyone familiar with operating submersibles at those depths thought that anything going wrong at such depths would be survivable, making having an ROV to hand a bit moot.
I'm not sure there will be much follow up on this. It's a private unregulated enterprise.
Unlike if a commercial aircraft goes down.
There is no need for an investigation to establish the causes and reduce the chance if it happening again.
It's entirely possible there is clear evidence of an attempt to abort the dive. The only thing that implodes is the pressure chamber. Everything else will stay relatively intact aside from the damage from the energy of the implosion and contact with the ocean floor.
It may have been observed that on the cage portion, which didn't implode, that the release mechanism for some of the ballast were all in the open position. Of course it's possible that they all somehow opened at the moment of implosion, but perhaps there are other indications. Apparently the sub had 7 systems available to abort the descent and refloat. Maybe there are indications that more than one of these had been activated.
It's very early days but I'm sure much more information will be forthcoming in time. Deepsea diving is a very small community. Cameron will have contacts that know more than what has been released to the public.
The crew on the support ship took several hours to notify the coast guard. Surely they wouldn’t have waited if they had reason to believe the sub experienced an emergency, rather than just loss of communications? And it’s hard to think what in a debris field could indicate to them a manual jettisoning and not an effect of the implosion.
Mock all you want. I'm truthful if nothing else. No BS or lies here.
Are you that naive that you think that there aren't people in this country who do this every day? I'm one of hundreds who do what I do, just that I'm fortunate enough or good enough at it to only work with the moneyed elite who can pay what my employer charges.
I'm also a mountain sheep and cattle farmer in Healy Rae land although I don't vote for them.
Who are you or is that a pointless question, to which the answer would reveal that behind your condescending high horse posts, you don't really have a very interesting life yourself?
I am truly honoured to read the posts of so many Boardsies who interact daily with the millionaire+ sector of society.
It really is a privilege, clearly this website attracts not only the hangers-on of the elite of Irish society but, brace yourself Bridie, the entire globe!
A good cohort of pilot community kind of despised Boeing these days. Even looking at the cockpit ergonomics of a 737 versus an A320, the latter is more user friendly and generally preferred.
There are only two ways you could know that.
a) If they communicated it to the support ship shortly before losing contact. In which case this was not shared with the public
b) Something in the debris field indicated that weights had been manually jettisoned. Again, nobody has said this publicy.
I'm sure he has good sources, maybe we will find out in the coming days.
What are they basing that theory on?
Clickbait rubbish. The pressure at the likely implosion depth was, literally, between 300 and 400 times greater.
One more atmosphere of pressure for every ten metres you go down.
What an absolutely horrendous post. I’ve no clue how anyone can be so callous.
This has nothing to do with Boeing.
However, Boeing abandoned quality engineering after the merger with McDonald Douglas. The 737 Max is not an outlier. The Starliner has also failed to meet tests and schedules. Which anyone paying any attention to their engineering rather than name-dropping would know.
Everything about the sub speaks of using Agile Development. Not getting an experienced submariner to give it the once over is ignoring all the lessons learnt in blood.
True, However, Stockton Rush was worth an estimated 12 Million dollars. At a quarter of a million per person on the Titan, 1 Million dollars for a 10 hour charter is not bad money.
You don't drive a Lamborghini if you can't afford the insurance for it.
Fully informed of the risks? yeah right.
Fully informed of OceanBros attempts to wriggle out of any liability, certainly.
But an airline knows how well its aircraft are maintained and its crews trained, etc etc,. facts which may be unpalatable. A paying passenger takes a lot on trust - less so when there is strong regulation such as aviation - but still there is trust involved. When there is no regulation and a "tech bro" attitude then inevitably bad things will happen. Brought to you by the same morons who thought that cruise control could be marketed as 'self-driving' and didn't care about the consequences. Consequences which can't be erased by ctrl-alt-delete.
What is a good thing about unregulated companies risking passengers' lives in international waters, pray tell?
It was bolted from the outside so it would have to be retrieved by a vessel and they would have had to get the socket and screw it open.
There is a lot of weird reaction to this incident, twitter being a real sewer if pomposity, moral outrage and nonsense, though there is no shortage of it on boards either.
Like most people who ever achieved something, made something of themselves, did something that benefited wider society they took a risk, were half mad and went for it wholeheartedly.
It cost them their lives.
Lots of weird talk about dick measuring and billionaires is just trying to add an edge to a story played 10000 times already. They had an unfortunate ending to their as is short lives, that's the height of it. They duxked up and paid the price, that's it.
By design it was bolted shut from the outside and could not be opened by those inside.
It was bolted shut from the outside with 17 bolts, although someone did post that one wasn't used because it was difficult to reach!
Even if it did ascend opening the door would have allowed water in so they were goosed anyway, unless they were lucky enough to be spotted as the bulk of it would still have been below the waterline.
I wonder is he credible? A lot of hearsay in what he said. I think a more modest person would have spoken about his experience of ocean exploration and left the engineering to the engineers.
As claimed by OceanBros™.
Please provide a credible source.
silly q. If the vessel, had reached the surface - why couldn’t the hatch be opened?
Ah, okay, I hadn’t seen that.
It's documented that that mission was involved in the laying of CANTAT-2
and by the nature of deep ocean sonar arrays they wouldn't have been that close to shore
So please provide us with your evidence to the contrary.
Very interesting that himself and Ballard (and indeed the wider deep diving community, of which they are central figures) believe she was ascending when it imploded, believing the warnings had already been triggered that the hull was delaminating…
See, in my day job, I meet mostly multimillionaires and many billionaires. Generally decent people who worked hard, were smart, and very lucky. Also some who just stood on everyone's heads around them.
I don't begrudge anyone their money, however I frown heavily on dick measuring exercises and master/slave displays.
If someone wants to see something from a different or better viewpoint which requires lots of money to make it happen, then ok, provided nobody else is discommoded or pushed out of the way in the process. That's actually my day job - making stuff like that happen.
Nobody will ever convince me though, that sitting on the floor of a frigging road pipe peering out through a small dirty porthole beats the unbelievable footage of that wreck which already exists.
Boliocks, - that's just dick measuring.
Where did the story about the knocking every 30 minutes come from?
Best interview yet, no sugar coating.
To be honest, i don't think there is really much sympathy when billionaires meet their end. Most of the time they have gotten their wealth through standing on the necks of many thousands, making their riches of the suffering of the masses. Especially when it comes to the likes of third world billionaires like that pakistani fella. I won't lose a wink of sleep I can tell you. And the whole attitude of spending such exorbidant sums of money on these adventures when their countrymen are starving in conditions of squalar.
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