Still a possibility of them not getting any Nato jets for several years at least
Sure, you keep clinging to that very weirdly dug hole you've made.
When are the UKRAINIAN PANZER FISTS being unleashed??????
It shouldn't take that long. I installed Falcon 4.0 on the pc a number of years ago, didn't take months to get the hang of it.
Don't know what they use these days, is there a f-16 module on DCS?
Before this counter offensive started I was hoping they'd retake Melitopol, Kherson and Berdyansk by summers end. At this stage I'd take them taking Tokmak back this year. Anyone else readjusted their expectations?
Now obviously Russia is throwing reserves at the frontline to hold them back. But if the losses are too great and logistics/ammo dumps take too many hits a collapse could happen at any point.
But Russia could probably take 1000 casualties a day for the next 4 months and still have enough reserves hence why I don't think a collapse comes this year. And if Ukraine pauses for the winter Russia will likely mobilize again to replace the cannon fodder.
I'm hoping it will be slow going against the main defensive lines and minefields, they have to be cautious here and are making gains everyday. Then once these are breached they can send the main armored divisions through and it will be a quicker pace to the coast. They really need to do something about air power, they've not real response to helicopters but even more so bombing runs. I wonder if they can hit aviation centers.
It may revert to attrition until Ukraine has air power.
Just for context world war 2 had an attrition rate of approx 30,000 people a day over the 5 years.
That is 112,000 Russian troops out of action between now and October.
If that were to happen, Ukraine would gain a lot of ground.
It's amazing how breaking down WW2 death tolls to a daily figure like that really makes the numbers a bit more real.
Fairly easy to imagine a stadium of 30,000 people. Not so easy to imagine or really be able to comprehend 50-60 million people.
Russia doesn't have the numbers to ever take Ukraine via sustained meat assaults, and it'll be a long, long time before they're ever proficient in mobile combined arms warfare. Even if Putin's wet dream of another Trump presidency were to occur, with the U.S. effectively withdrawing support for Ukraine, Ukraine would likely receive enough support from former eastern bloc countries to hold Russia at bay for the foreseeable. Russia has no way to march forward, other than the unthinkable of using WMDs of some kind, but that opens a whole other can of worms.
The only thing for Ukraine is that every time it gets sent new weapons, the timescale is so drawn out that it gives Russia ample time to prepare defences. We'd known Bradleys were coming for months before they arrived. It's likely that by the time F-16s arrive, Russia will have put as much (possibly crude) AA as it can across the front lines. When Russia first (officially) invaded, they seemed to be caught unaware by the sheer amount of javelins and stingers Ukraine actually had. It would be of great help for another weapon to suddenly appear on the battlefield and make a similar impact without the Russians having advance knowledge of its arrival and months to prepare.
Its taken ukraine since last autumn to assemble their assault force , their not going to throw it against russian defenses en mass - they've probed , and theyve found some of their own weaknesses ,
Theyll continue pushing until they get a window , but even then they cant out run supplies and support ..
It's not a hole it's basic facts ,
How many times has it been announced on this very thread oh this country is giving F16s and that country is giving F16s oh I read it on Twitter, how many countries have actually said we are going to give F16s to Ukraine.
None .
It's several years down line , doesn't matter what Xbox games people play,this is real world not fantasy gaming world
Amazing that the forum doesn’t ban these Russian propaganda accounts with their lies, hate crimes and support for fascism.
Didn't Denmark just say a few days ago that they were willing to give F16s to Ukraine?
I agree somewhat but the Storm shadows were a nice addition which is having a real effect on the Russians. Hopefully we also soon see ATACMS hitting targets deep behind the frontlines.
A minister suggested it ,but the Danish government Said its aircraft are too integral to its own defense to give away,Sanna Marin up until recently was the prime minister of Finland said the exact same thing about sending F18s to ukraine only for the Finnish government to come out and say No that they wouldn't be sending their aircraft either,
Its not that it won't happen it's just not going to happen by September/October this year or likely in 2024 either it going to take time, it's not just a simple case of oh heres a few F16s go win the war,
Logistics and training and infrastructure all has to come first before any Aircraft and not just pilot training .
Someone even brought up them F35s too recently.
That's why I used the words "so far". And we're talking a year on, not one month. You can protest all you like but it doesn't change the facts.
More good news
Correct no-one knows when they will get them, hopefully it is near enough future. Those F-18s from Australia could find their way there before any F-16s.
Been hearing about those f18s longer than Abrams tanks,
They will get aircraft just not the the 4 months regular suggested
Was that direct military casualties though? Or all deaths including disease, civilians etc? Just curious.
You stay classy San Diego
Denmark has more or less said they would.
I understand the Dutch are in the same boat
Some days,weeks,months from now there will be an announcement of such.
Then your 'fact' isn't a fact anymore.
On F-18, there is high-level discussions going on between USA, Australia and Ukraine, as Australia has they are not needed by the Australians anymore.
There are 41 of them.
Their was a lot of speculation that training was ongoing well into last year turns out none.
All of Europe is under threat the UK has lead, US in second and Europe apart form the poles who are the next genocidal and to be obliterated canidates, would trade with Russia tomorrow if they could truly awful support.
But until then .......
Again one person in Denmark said it but the actual Danish government has said No already.
Sanna Marin said similar when she was a PM but the Finnish government said No ,
We've had statements on here saying 4 months but yet no one person is willing to pick which 4 months time,
I didn't say it won't happen just not this year and likely not in 2024
What ? Is this AI generated ? Or is there something missing in translation ?
Zelensky mentioned last night 6-7 months... training to start in the summer, so Q1/2 2024 at the moment
I posyte donm this before. This is from your article posted.
“We are at the early stage studying the technical characteristics and operability of the aircraft,” Vasyl Myroshnychenko, Ukraine’s ambassador to Australia, told The War Zone Wednesday afternoon.
One of the considerations is that these aircraft are the older (upgraded) F/A-18A/B variants. The design of these 'classic' variants is significantly different from the F/A-18E/F 'Super Hornets' that are currently in operation and may have technical challenges in terms of maintenance also.
However, the official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss this process, is “not aware of any negotiations the U.S. is involved in” regarding the Hornets. “We are not sure how serious the idea is right now or how flushed out it is.”
This is all speculation still.
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