Hopefully a good outcome ahead.
Sub named Titan.
When I went on the Tenerife submarine a tracker boat followed behind, and a professional diver jumped in from it with food to encourage the fish.
its the same setup they have in the red sea, if there is an accident the tracker boat aint going to do much more than pick up those that escape
you know its a wee bit sketchy when you go on it
i mean its 1,000,000 times safer than going to the titanic
The construction of this submersible does seem to be somewhat "Heath Robinson" in character. Apart from the Hull itself, which was, I believe designed/constructed with input from NASA and Boeing, the control/communication systems look vulnerable to failure. Which leads me to think that a system breakdown is more likely than a breach of the hull. If so, the crew are likely to saty alive until the oxygen runs out. Awful to comtemplate.
its whatever floats your boat
Imagine 5 people siting in this cramped box on the bottom of the ocean waiting for their air to run out and die, you'd have to hope there was a catastrophic failure and instant death rather than that
As an engineer, you should be be more aware of the broad general usefullness of xBox controllers.
Several other branches of the US military use xBox controllers, including to operate a laser cannon. Boeing speced tham as part of it's weapon system.
Microsoft supposedly spent $100m developing the xBox One controller.
One thing no one seems to have mentioned yet is how cold it is 4 km down in the North Atlantic. It's about 2-3°C. If they lost power it's going to get very cold, fast.
Reading between the lines, it's sounds like the US Coast Guard is it, and that the Navy won't be involved, and that the USCG has no deep water rescue capability, so they are truly stuffed if they got snagged on the wreck.
TBH even a successful mission doesn't sound like a load of fun. Other than being able to say "I've been down to see the Titanic" at dinner parties I don't see the appeal. At least with the space trips you get to experience weightlessness.
It was one of the 1st things I thought of and posted this morning..
and if it was power failure, and the heating system went down, it would get pretty cold pretty fast....
and just on the Xbox controller thing, I'v seen them used in the power generation industry to control the robots that sometimes inspect the internals of turbines and generators, so don't doubt its capability to operate a sub.
Post 12 mentions the cold alright. I was thinking though that there would be some degree of insulation from it, considering it's a tiny space with 5 people and the hull is surely incredibly thick?
Egypt isn’t exactly known for its health & safety culture, Canaries is first world, so though there’s risks with everything like this, they operate under local oversight.
Balloon flights carry a definite risk, but I was told by a German & Hungarian pilot working together in UAE never to undertake one in Turkey or Africa as local oversight is not up to scratch and they witnessed many shortcuts taken there.
In cold environments, the body metabolism increases resulting in an increased oxygen demand.
Metabolic rate during cold-water immersion, expressed as oxygen consumption, increases to values that are usually around four or five times the normal resting metabolic rate.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK232868/
this is at a tourist level
the setup is the same, might even be the exact same sub, i mean how many people are involved in tourist subs
That paper is a bit dated; before shivering occurs the body will long have engaged brown fat thermogenesis as a protection against the cold. It'll do other things to conserve heat.
ATP is the fuel used by all cells; brown fat has a uncoupling protein UCP which interrupts the process to produced heat
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B9780444639127000096
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/000527288890103X
Having been is the submarine museum in NYC; you couldn't get me to sit in this **** thing for a second on land
“I got these from camper world”
then next…
the games console controller comes out,
…. Not a bit of effort involved in having any comfort….thing manoeuvred using a gaming controller and parts from ‘camper world’… I mean, what could go wrong 😵💫 and the mad bastard proud as punch, grinning enthusiastically talking about it, as if he just saved x euros on his shopping with Tesco vouchers .. Nutjob.
https://www.ft.com/content/aa2fa7b9-936f-4a10-b811-ff128331b1c8
According to this article, "The US Coast Guard’s Boston-based North East service said on Monday evening that a Royal Canadian Air Force aircraft able to detect underwater objects, a CP-140 Aurora, would join the search on Tuesday morning"
Hopefully they will be able to find the sub wherever it is.
Next time you board a Ryanair 737 to Spain glance left as you enter, maybe the pilots are using recycled laptop trackpads to control the plane or a Logitech flight sim pack. 🤣
given it took 70 years to find the titanic.....
I dont think that is a worrying sign in itself.
They're not just using gamepads, they are using wireless gamepads.
The wireless aspect introduces unnecessary complexity/unreliability. I've had bluetooth **** the bed, i've had receivers fry from overheating, they could have interference from poor shielding or a failing power supply in another system etc. I am sure they have some level of redundancy but it points to a dangerous/incompetent design philosophy.
A wireless gamepad also introduces danger because it's got a lithium-ion battery. They can fail catastrophically - start fires, release fumes. You don't want a fire in a sub.
A truely terrible story. Hopefully they are found.
A sketchy enough looking setup in fairness.
Later on in the video that was posted earlier, there's a piece about the vessel going "missing" before.
A fair bit of info in this video as well - not the first time this vessel has been down to the titanic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29co_Hksk6o&t=447s
That's absolutely crazy. I don't understand how anyone would choose to take the risk of going in that. Just to see a shipwreck at the bottom of the ocean. An old xbox controller and one button to operate a machine under immense pressure, where there's no room for error.... no thanks.
The mind boggles.
They'll turn up. One way, or the other.
I've been fascinated with the Titanic since I was a nipper in the 80s. They couldn't pay me 250 grand to go on that thing.
I'd love to know what Bob Ballard thinks of this outfit.
I can understand the interest in the titanic alright, it is fascinating. But I'm sure there are plenty of good titanic documentaries from which you could glean far more information that taking the risk of going down to see it in that death trap. 250k just to see it through a tiny window, probably with very poor visibility too.
I'd prefer a train journey on the orient express personally. Much safer and cheaper.
more likely they wont turn up, if the sub imploded, not a hope
BUt nowhere near as exclusive, and less bragging rights.
It’s crazy to think that these people’s deaths all link back to a fella not listening to reports of icebergs a hundred odd years ago.
I'd assume it would have some class of EPIRB device that could be engaged by those onboard so if they did surface their position would be known immediately. This level of tech has been around for decades but again if the sub was not certified things like this may be overlooked.
AH I see your point. I hate wireless! Seems so risky.
I was playing Ratchet and clank the other day and the controller stuck in the left position and just kept going round in circles. Turned it off and on again. Still going in circles. Controller is broken. Spare one works just fine until i get a new one.
I wonder if they bring a spare controller with them :)
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