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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Nobody has clue what's going on, but the outcome sure won't be good.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    I was concerned about Europe freezing due to the research from the Economist which is probably one of the most respected journals in the world and a link was provided to that claim, it was not my claim. As you may remember the projections were based on 3 scenario's depending on mild, average or severe temperatures in Europe.

    Thankfully we had the second warmest winter ever on record this year and the 600 billion of energy subsidies that governments forked out for prior to Winter will of saved many lives.

    Unfortunately the Economist claims that 68,000 people in Europe still died due to high energy prices. If you believe them or not get in touch with them and explain to them why they are wrong not me.


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,399 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    There are a lot of professors and economic experts in the world.

    On the other point, I'd much rather have short-staffing than the alternative.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    To me, most of the Western world is becoming America with added welfare an 'ordinary job' in a fair amount of Western countries is not enough to house an individual.l I doubt we will ever have high unemployment again but what could happen is that the value of wages and salaries will stagnate while the cost of housing, utilities, food, etc will keep rising.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    what could happen is that the value of wages and salaries will stagnate while the cost of housing, utilities, food, etc will keep rising.

    No could happen about it, this is exactly what is happening for many.

    Beverly Hills, California



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    There are a lot of professors and economic experts in the world.

    Economics is a science and any expert in the field is only ever an expert in economic history. Predicting and looking forward is trial and error, as science should be. So many experts basing their outlook on textbook economics when the landscape is so so different today. Their guess is as good as mine or yours.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Ari Calm Vigilante


    Either end of the employment spectrum brings its problems, obviously unemployment is the more major one. But we are sailing a bit close to the edge of where this stops being a good situation.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Ari Calm Vigilante


    Virtually working more to achieve less in terms of the fundamental things.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Ari Calm Vigilante


    Maybe future models by virtue of AI will become better at projecting outcomes, building in some random factors like natural disasters, wars etc, rather like our present weather forecasting which has greatly improved since my childhood.

    We are now in El Niño effect, which predicts there are highly likely to be specific weather patterns in parts of the world. This type of thing could assist in modelling economic predictions, same as political analysis could help determine some possibilities of war situations or civil unrest. Like weather forecasting, never going to be completely accurate, but could model trends and help in mitigation and resilience.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭randomname2005


    That was the plan until life (tm) and unexpected bills came along but hopefully will get back to that buffer building soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    I read Ray Dalios book on the changing world order, pretty much what you said is exactly how he invests and makes hedges money. His hedge fund made a computer programme that takes into account pretty much all of what you said. All the leading indicators according to him is that we are in the middle of an inflection point and the next 10-15 years looks like there will be greater geopolitical and domestic conflicts due to these widening wealth gaps and the middle class becoming the poor class. He says in all cases going back to the Ming denisty in China even major change was preceded by major conflict either internally or externally.

    Anyway hees at this since this 80s so obviously way ahead of his time

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    AI is only as good as the underlying model. Yes it can calculate different scenarios quickly and produce a Monte Carlo model but these already exist and have done so since ‘08….it’s adding very little besides doing the existing quicker.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    “inflation also makes debt management easier by reducing interest rates on loans or mortgages and encouraging people to spend their cash; “

    Really!!!!!

    I have heard it all now….Don’t think there is much to say about this quote unless it was written as satire and I totally missed the point. If I am reading this as it reads and you haven’t deleted part of the quote in error or genuinely omitted something about wage increases off the back of inflation then my 10 year old kid has a better understanding of the topic than you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    AI is only as good as the data its trained on - which for economics is not great.

    Economists predicted 10 of the last 2 recessions, AI models will suffer from the same biases, as all data historical or new needs some kind of qualification by man to tell the AI what to do.

    AI as a saviour for X Y or Z scenario in future is a meme, only people who have no experience with AI think it will solve all our problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    It looks like UK & Ireland are in the same boat. Now i understand why Finland take so much interest in the Euribor rate.

    ire.png

    No wonder some people are concerned.


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,047 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    So-called "social sciences" like economics are not sciences.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,777 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ... absolutely, economics is the furthest thing from a science, based on theories with highly questionable assumptions such as 'rationally expecting humans' etc etc, what the livin' fcuk!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    There's no problem with making that sort assumption (rational actors with all information/or "homo economicus" as I think it is called) as such (IMO).

    I do kind of think that economics has been guilty of obscuring the assumptions it makes by using a load of very complex maths and ideas from physics and then people think it is somehow similar to these 2 fields...it isn't.

    It is dealing with humans and human societies at the end of day, they are very, very complicated and unpredictible things vs the cleaner and less messy "world" mathematicians and physicists inhabit.

    It is very hard (impossible?) for them to do proper controlled experiments, and also very hard to develop over-arching models without big simpilifications.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,777 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...even though i largely agree with what you have said, humans are nothing near rational, we in fact are highly irrational, highly emotionally directed when it comes to decision making, this is far from what we are depicted by modern economic ideologies, in particular those that are neoclassically based....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Yes. I don't know much about economics, but I think those may be actually the older ideas (!) (rather than the modern). The newer stuff, like behavioural economics or using computer simulations ("agent based" models), has been trying to add more of the real human complexity and grey areas as best they can. Regardless, agree it isn't really a "science" in the way physics or the like is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,777 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...again i agree, but neoclassical economics is still the predominant school of thought within our major and critical institutions, such as our central banks etc, its ultimately why theres now major failures occurring within them....you know far more about economics than you think....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    Take me for example after 10 pints of porter you'd be amazed how irrational and even more stupid thinking I can be



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,399 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    New Zealand enters recession as 5.5% interest rates start to take effect. Australian and Canadian central banks also restarted hiking last week after a few months pause.


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    ECB's bank account should be getting a big injection next Wednesday with half a trillion of loans from the banks getting settled.

    tlt.png


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    And what is the significance of this or why is this news?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    In the ECB the "solution" chosen, both by politicians and central bankers, to break the Inflation cycle, was to do it 100% on the salaries side of that cycle (can't impact corporate profits - now at record levels - now can we?!)

    The choice to concentrate the pain on a certain section of the Economy - those who sell their work under contract - rather than spread it is nothing new: the "solution" for the recovery after the 2008 Crash was Austerity, all of which was around salary contention and not around asset price rise contention (and, by the way, the result was the longest post-Crash recovery in at least a century).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    How has your post got anything to do with the TLRO maturing…

    my point was that this isn’t anything new because as soon as it was drawn down by banks they knew when and how much needed to be repaid.



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