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Brexit - Creeping in. Are we going to be Gaslit like the Brits?

flexcon

Well as the title says,

I have seen more and more Irexit hastags and discussions going on and the same misinformed souls on EU laws, rules and just how the bloody thing is established.

It seemed impossible, then laughable and now it's a reality. It's started.

Do we already need to start building a fact check org to cut the nonsense out before it infests us now?

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looksee

I suppose it depends on what you follow /watch/ read online. I haven't seen a single word or article that suggest Irexit is a thing, what should I be watching?

StupidLikeAFox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058300708/brexit-creeping-in-are-we-going-to-be-gaslit-like-the-brits

There is no serious movement for irexit, absolutely no appetite for it outside of a few headbangers. Whatever platform you are on, you are curating your feed to see these things (knowingly or unknowingly).

flexcon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120709140#Comment_120709140

More so on twitter with "Ireland First for Irish People". They have people canvassing now.

Still very early stages, but the more the housing crisis continues, the more refugees come in the tougher the message becomes and this can escalate fast.

Irexit hashtag trends highly atm. Some days it's in the top 3 in Ireland.

flexcon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120709256#Comment_120709256

Well that's what I mean. There is no serious movement for Irexit. however there was no serious movement for Brexit either... until there was.

I can see it actually becoming a topic in the next year or so, the more frustrations people have with immigration, the more EU will be called into question.

I am not saying we are there, but, we need to be prepared

An Claidheamh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058300708/brexit-creeping-in-are-we-going-to-be-gaslit-like-the-brits

Years ago the anti-Irish/British nationalist comments on the Indo, youtube, etc turned to be in favour of "Irish sovereignty/anti-EU".

Clearly following orders

- they actually are anti-Irish, anti-Irish freedom, pro-partition, sectarian and racist

- some genuinely, like a lot of British people, do not realise the hypocrisy of being British, occupying Ireland and also having a reputation for being despised by Irish people, but they are not exsctly rational

- Majority of these tweets are cheap, repetitive, sock puppets, AI generated twitter accounts or actually by foreigners from unemployed towns in England

You have seen more hashtags because someone keeps using hashtags for no reason

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120709295#Comment_120709295

That's not true re: No serious movement for Brexit.

There is a deep running Euroscepticism in the UK across party lines.

Withdrawal from the EEC was part of UK Labour Party platform in 1980.

John Major had considerable difficulty getting Maastricht Treaty through the Commons.

Tony Blair keeping UK out of the Euro.

magicbastarder

the irish people are looking at how brexit has gone for the UK and are supposedly thinking 'yeah, we'll have some of that'?

what sites are you browsing?

munchkin_utd

Ireland is the 2nd richest country in the EU, looking at a 10billion budget surplus on top of the billions of revenue already planned or on peoples pockets thanks to the country allowing US companies take cash earned in the EU and tax it in Ireland with Ireland sitting back and counting the booty.

Ireland is like some of those old villages back 1000 years ago on the continent who had a bridge over a big river and taxed the merchants bringing salt and other stuff that had NOTHING to do with them - except they were acting as conduit for trade and were the owners of the bridge linking the source of industry and the consumers.

The Uk could vote for brexit because they have their own magic money tree called "the city" which can exist outside of the EU, whereas Irelands magic money tree IS EU membership. Leaving isnt even an option let alone a question.

looksee

More so on twitter with "Ireland First for Irish People". They have people canvassing now.

Still very early stages, but the more the housing crisis continues, the more refugees come in the tougher the message becomes and this can escalate fast.

Irexit hashtag trends highly atm. Some days it's in the top 3 in Ireland.

What attitude wouid you expect to get in a forum called 'Ireland First for Irish People'?

Is Twitter your only source of news and current affairs?

What does Ireland's housing crisis have to do with the EU?

The whole 'refugees/EU' thing is too nuanced to dismiss in a sentence, but has leaving the EU solved the UK's 'refugee problem'?

Is a twitter hashtag a reliable poll?

nachouser

Reminds me of the old joke about the guy complaining he keeps seeing the neighbours across the road having sex through their bedroom window.

His partner looks and says I can't see anything, our trees are blocking the view.

Guys says, yeah, but not if I pull this chair across to the window and stand on it and then look out.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120709264#Comment_120709264

That is a group of about 40 people with multiple accounts each - could probably name half of them if I had to. Tiny group of people providing support to each other (until they fall out, which always happens).

They aren't going to make political headway

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058300708/brexit-creeping-in-are-we-going-to-be-gaslit-like-the-brits

Are you trying to promote debate on Irexit? Or shut it down before it starts gathering momentum?

Surely there are pros and cons to the idea and all are worthy of consideration.

The cons in terms of access to EU markets and perhaps loss of MNCs etc are obvious.

The pros might include taking control of our borders and stemming the flow of international asylum seekers which apparently we are legally obliged to suck up. We might also hope to realign the relationships between us and our nearest neighbour and thus undo some of the damage to NI politics caused by Brexit.

Like many things in life, it ain't black & white.

Jim_Hodge

I haven't heard or read anything about it OP. Where are you seeing it? It's not a thing anyway.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120711981#Comment_120711981

The pros might include taking control of our borders and stemming the flow of international asylum seekers which apparently we are legally obliged to suck up.

This is absolutely nothing to do with the EU, leaving has no pros and its incredibly black and white.

Thankfully, the basic premise of the thread is wrong and there is no movement or appetite for leaving developing.

Emblematic

In fairness, one of the largest groups claiming international protection are Georgians who have visa-free entry into the EU. We have also named and shamed by Germany in previous years for not taking enough Syrian refugees.

HalloweenJack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058300708/brexit-creeping-in-are-we-going-to-be-gaslit-like-the-brits

We've been here before.

Change 'Irexit' for 'Lisbon Treaty' and you'll remember that plenty of people on both sides either wilfully or ignorantly promoted misinformation ('Yes for Jobs', 'EU Army') or simply did not know what they were on about.

The problem these days is the echo chamber of social media and its seeming amplification but these types are nothing new; they've always been around. Its up to people as responsible voters to find out the truth and inform themselves.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058300708/brexit-creeping-in-are-we-going-to-be-gaslit-like-the-brits

Fact checking is crucial in any country. I wouldn't be worried about Irexit based on social media metrics. Be aware that many of these are troll accounts and bots.

The Brits left on the basis of a pack of lies sold to them by hucksters on the right (with a few on the left). As a result, they've decimated their global standing, damaged their economy and made a laughing stock of themselves. Consequently, anti-EU populists across the continent have dropped the idea of leaving the EU given the ham the Conservatives with their resources made of it.

Ireland doesn't have the same issues that created the opening for the Brexiters here. Inequality is much lower, the PR system avoids much of the toxicity we have here and Irish society is less divided.

In addition, Ireland's history is one of suffering and emigration. There is no great, glorious past to harken back to. If you told an average Irish person what they though of going back to the seventies, they may well tell you to clear off.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120709295#Comment_120709295

This is wrong. There was a dedicated movement for Brexit for decades. It pumped out fake news and lies. It had members at the very top of the UK's political class from Daniel Hannan to Rupert Murdoch to Lord Rothermere. UKIP only appeared in the early nineties but British Euroscepticism itself is as old as the UK's membership of the EEC/EU.

Sam Russell

In fact Britain was always a semi-detached member of the EEC, and more so, of the EU. They refused to join any expansion unless they got a privileged option, or just did not join. It was always a beneficial trade deal for them.

They always objected to the 'ever closer' element of the Treaty of Rome.

kirk.

Has anything happened re: the new trading partners Britain was talking about after Brexit

Larbre34

Haven't seen Irexit mentioned since Germann Kelly had Farage over for a talk and nobody came and those that did laughed at him.

There's a greater chance of Ireland floating off and becoming a Caribbean paradise than there is of a groundswell against the EU.

Even in Countries with ambiguous attitudes to the EU, like Poland, Finland, France, Netherlands - they've all seen Brexit and any serious consideration of departure from certain quarters in those nations, is dead.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712766#Comment_120712766

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713819#Comment_120713819

There you go - anyone who thinks it's an open & shut case is living in a cloud.

There has always been a healthy degree of Euro skepticism here, as evidenced in some of the referendums. Funnily as you went north wasn't it more pronounced as in Donegal etc

For a good period, it seemed we were in favour of the EU, as long as we were net beneficiaries. Getting more in EU funds than contributing back.

That's been eroded now and there are most certainly advantages and disadvantages to membership. But I suspect there is little appetite to stir up too much debate in case the public at large start taking notice and an interest.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714210#Comment_120714210

And there's the conspiracy theory.

Nobody's saying it shouldn't be discussed but Irish support for the EU was almost 90% very recently (Source). We still very much are in favour of being EU members. You've made no case either for significant Eurosceptic sentiment or for any benefits of leaving the EU.

When this is the sort of campaign material Irish Eurosceptics have to use, I won't worry too much.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714210#Comment_120714210

There may be disadvantages to being in the EU, but it is absolutely an open and shut case that we shouldn't leave. There is no cogent argument for it whatsoever.

There remains absolutely overwhelming support for continued membership.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714237#Comment_120714237

Nothing to do with conspiracy and I've outlined two credible reasons above...

Forget the right wind Nazi / Nutter nonsense - that's a standard tactic by those in power to discredit those who dare question and disagree with them.

Public views are influenced by public debate and information. If the state chooses to discourage such discussion then of course it's to be expected that support for EU stays high. If we had some form of referendum now on an EU treaty modification and there was real debate, you'd see slippage for sure.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714263#Comment_120714263

LOL, are you not contradicting yourself there :)

You allow that there are some disadvantages but then state categorically that 'there's no cogent argument for it whatsoever'. Yes, OK...

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714298#Comment_120714298

No its not remotely contradictory.

Leaving the EU would be equivalent of amputating your leg to remove a splinter in your foot.

There is also a difference between reluctance to change the EU treaties and wanting to leave. There is zero evidence that there is the remotest appetite to leave. You also have a ludicrously high opinion of how much the govt is able to control public discussion and narrative.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714283#Comment_120714283

We had the same victimhood trope endlessly deployed here during the Brexit referendum. It's not fooling anyone. That was a real poster by the way.

How has the state discouraged discussion? With evidence please.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714303#Comment_120714303

This depends on what your focus is and where it lies. Let's suppose that the issue of reuniting Ireland as a single state becomes a priority for a future government. And it becomes apparent that really this needs to be built and agreed by consensus. That this can be facilitated by acknowledging our geography and history and drawing our unionist friends into a necessary mutual agreement. That this may require a realignment with our neighbour in order to facilitate this.

You can try and rubbish above, that no one in the Republic would accept this as the price to be paid. But that depends on your focus and where priorities are set etc. If a new government wanted to sell this idea, you could be surprised as to how well they could mobilise and manipulate public opinion.

Were you around in the foot & mouth crisis 20 years ago, did you note how quickly people complied in the national interest. Ditto for Covid as well as self preservation. We are quite susceptible to direction.

Hermy

EU membership is in our national interest - a united Ireland isn’t.

looksee

Ah @Furze99 would you stop embarrassing yourself. Your arguments don't have even a flicker of credibility.