ha dont worry ive seen all those orwellian road accounts ha, im not one of them. ive been to Kyiv a couple of times. Support is firmly in their corner.
Edited this response because we have bigge fish to fry here instead of talking about the height of dead Frenchmen.
Well no all images are suitable for analysis, what you have proven is the free online analysis software is at best unreliable or probably next to useless depending on the quality of the image.
You specifically mentioned "checkers" which I assume meant professional forensics.
These people are experts in spotting the difference, without having the difference.
If 10 things are off with picture they could probably tell just by looking at it.
E.g. if the pattern, texture of the smoke is strange, the colour and direction of the fire, why some craters have water and others don't, why is only one vehicle on fire, where are the bodies, etc, etc, etc.
So the idea of someone of that calibre not being able to objectively analysis the photo because it has digital noise is false.
That's even before we allow that their forensic software maybe slightly better than what is offered free on the internet.
Oooh thats me put in my place. FFS.
Taking those images as any indication of how things will go is silly, and shows a lack of understanding of how ofensive actions such as Ukraine are attempting can play out.
There will be losses (many losses) and the Russians will play on people like you by flooding the web with images such as those to try and lessen western support. Those of us with more understanding won't be swayed so easily.
Information must be slow today,
Were back to bickering.
tbh as an ordinary person looking at it, the Russians managing to wreck significant numbers of UAF vechicles duing their attacks would just make me think Ukraine needs much more support, esp. as regards air power and long range missiles, where it has lagged.
Am unsure if my thoughts would be same as those of similar regular citizens in the countries that are donating the weapons.
I kind of doubt any Western country would really wish to launch a big land assault with the fairly weak air force Ukraine has (old Soviet jets) and limited cruise missiles (apart from [likely] small arsenal UK + France [I think] has given them), but Ukraine has to if it wishes to regain territory.
Its backers have only recently gotten up more gumption (thanks to Russia's escalations) and overcome fear of Putin's nuclear button to commit to get them more/better aircraft at some point.
Not the certified tanker,
But I know my stuff
Lol.
People like me nice try 😂😂😂
There a little shy,
Took 5 years to say something
From what I can see the Lancet and helicopter gunships are the most lethal weapons Russia has against armor. Ukraine needs to find an antidote to these gunships quickly.
The latest video I seen showed a Russian helicopter hitting Ukrainian armor from over 8km away,they should have plenty of manpads still in the field,they need to be brought along side infantry and other mobile air defense systems,that or risk sending Mig 29s to cover advances
Talk of helicopters. Timely post -
More please.
16 Bradleys apparently lost so far of a compliment of 109. Reports a 5th village has been liberated but it's pretty obvious there won't be the same scenario as Ukraine's last offensive which caught the Russian's off-guard and left no time to organise coherent defences.
This time the defenses seem to be well prepared which is unsurprising given they've had months and they are dense across the board, multiple fortification lines in depth.
It's an enormous ask to make serious inroads here.
We shall see if this post ages well
Not exactly true. Actually, it says destroyed, damaged or abandoned. BIG difference.
Patriot was also "destroyed" and the next day fixed
yeah the patriot system was in a fortified position though, these vehicles are spearheading an assault into hostile lines.
It's been mentioned by another poster already but these helicopters have a longer range than Stingers (8 km versus around 5 km I think). Russians changed how they've deployed their KA-52s after last year as they were so vulnerable at or behind the Ukrainian line. They're now behind their own line as they are not the ones trying to advance so straight away the challenge they pose is obvious.
Why don't the Americans give them Apache helicopters instead of F16s?
Even if true, do you know that the US have 2,000 of these in storage, and another 4,000 allocated to the US Army?
My 2cents..
The Ukrainians will make progress during this counterattack, but because of their lack of Air Superiority, they will be curtailed in what they can do.
This battle/war will come down to who has Air superiority. Perhaps the latest developments on the battlefield will make the US relent in opening up the doors more when it comes to their jets and helicopters. However, it would take a year to get them into the battlefield with trained Ukrainian personnel.
The is what the Russian soldiers are told about Ukraine.
That's because you don't measure the *height* of a dead Frenchman, you measure their length!
Poor old Kermit de Vatnik doesn't know the US has thousands of these. 😂
There was definitely at least one of those bradleys destroyed fully. But from the pictures that I saw at least some looked repairable. If the ukranians are actually gaining ground ahead of these areas and counter battery destroying russian artillery for each vehicle loss they'll likely be able to recover many of these.
But Ukraine doesn't.
The story reports that 4 were destroyed, the rest were damaged and abandoned. They may be recovered and repaired, who knows.
Not that im an expert , but a helicopter popping up from behind cover,over 8km away , firing off a shot or 2 and then dropping down again is going to need more than just a guy with a manpad traveling with your column ,
Itd help if you could spot them from above , so a couple of surveillance drones would help , more avenger humvees or stormers ? But even then youve seconds to fire ..
Helicopters and drones dont help , but im assuming its mines in their multitude that are the big threat, ?
Correct, they have 50. But The US already planned replenishing that stock on their end when those were sent to Ukraine this spring.
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I would not at all say that it's "obvious", not even close.
All these probing attacks are stretching Russia and forcing them to move forces and commit reserves all across the lines.
We won't know anything for quite some time as to how successful this offensive will be but the actual hammer has not fallen yet at all.
All offensives incur losses, even at times when an attacking force has numerical and technological superiority. The rare exceptions would be cases like the US invasion of Iraq but that was a mouse versus a tiger.
Good case examples would be WW2 and the various Allied/Soviet offensives against Germany from 1943 onwards in particular. At no point were the Germans winning, or even not losing in a very obvious way. But they inflicted enormous material damage, particularly on the Soviets, despite victory or even a favorable negotiation ever being a vaguely realistic possibility.
The Russian frontlines in Ukraine aren't quite a house of cards yet but they can become that pretty quickly depend on how Ukraine runs their offensive. If there's a collapse in one area it could collapse everything.
Fixed defences are of limited use in a modern war. They can help, but a serious breach can render them all useless if Ukraine moves out into open country at one or multiple focus points.
Losing 16 Bradley's means absolutely nothing. Ukraine was always going to take losses, and will be bracing for losses far, far more severe than something as tokenistic as 16 IFVs which were disabled doing exactly what they are designed to do.
The Ukrainians will keep probing until they find a weak spot and then try and break through with a major offensive.
Even if the offensive proves inconclusive Russia are still in a terrible spot and ultimately an unwinnable war. The basic fact is that after a year of operations they are clinging onto 15% of Ukrainian territory, at a stalemate, and trying to fight off a Ukrainian offensive. That this would be the state of play after a year of conflict would be utterly unthinkable back in February 2022.
Russia is only getting weaker as Ukraine gets stronger. There is no reality in which it ultimately comes out of this war the winner no matter what metric you could possibly try and twist.
Sadly lots of people wouldn't think the same as you, me and many many others in seeing the need to give more to make up for losses, and would start calling for Ukr to give up (couched in the "need to negotiate to save lives" language), sure there are examples here over the last few days, and just over a handfull of losses in a rather sizeable war.
Personally I think the saga of those images is very positive. They are from days ago and seem to be the only ones doing the rounds, if the Russians had any more we would be bombarded with them, and since Ukr are attacking over a wide area and liberating territory in what are really just probing attacks, they can't be indicitave of how things are going now, or for the future.
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