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How Can I Shame My Company More Now That I've Beat Them Via the WRC?

Rosalinda Eyes

So I recently took a case against my former employer to the WRC due to underpayment and won. At the hearing they begged me to settle after having ignored me for months. I have left that company now but have recently had a chat with one of the employees who's still with them. He told me that, having read my case, that he asked for the same requests (with reference to me) as me and was politely told to **** off.

I hoped that once I'd won that all the other employees at my location would kick up and that they'd easily get the same remuneration that I was granted in their payslips from now on. It seems they don't have the courage or the intelligence. Ironically a good few of them were joined a union, and I wasn't! I thought there'd be some sort of a consequence to being publicly named and shamed. The only other thing is that the case is a tiny bit complicated to understand. It's not something that you'd grasp in if you heard it as a headline while driving your car. So my question is, what can I do to draw more attention to this?

In spite of the fact that I won, the case is framed in such a way as if to imply that I lost. I challenged them on a few other things that I wasn't sure whether I was right or wrong about... taking the view that I might as well make cases about such issues while I was already reporting my main issue. I lost those cases, and in the summary of the published report, those are the ones that are mentioned first. Only down the very bottom does it mention that two issues where they underpaid me.

They were ordered to pay me within 40 days of the published report, and ended up taking 45 days. What I was paid was then taxed, which wouldn't have been taxed if I'd got it first day.

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Rosalinda Eyes

@3DataModem I'd consider whether I'd want to be drawing attention to this to future employers.

Really? I'd never have thought of that!

[Deleted User]

OP, if you repeat the facts only, without saying or implying anything else negative about the company, regarding the winning of the case in social media, especially in fora where the context is right, you could help spread the word. Twitter is a good place. If you wanted you could do a paid promotion of a tweet with relevant hashtags, say a screenshot of the part where you won the case, and form a general thread of tweets about labour law, maybe bringing in other cases. Lots of hashtags.

I’m rather like you, don’t generally let people get away with wrongdoings, as I always feel what has happened me will happened someone else, and we don’t live in a vacuum. But that’s just my personality type, probably better advised for one’s own mental health just to let things go.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120686823#Comment_120686823

An employer could technically bring you up using a set of search terms, it’s amazing how one can narrow a search down if you know what you are at. However I don’t know how assiduous various companies / recruiters are at doing that, but just to be aware searches can be quite refined. Somebody else in this sphere could answer that.

I’m a stubborn b0llix, but it didn’t always do me good, I’m at a stage in life I couldn’t care less, but if one is climbing a career ladder I wouldn’t take my own advice. 🤣

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120686860#Comment_120686860

Statements like these:

"They were ordered to pay me within 40 days of the published report, and ended up taking 45 days. What I was paid was then taxed, which wouldn't have been taxed if I'd got it first day."

"It wasn't a huge amount of money they were embezzling from me either."

And to send such an email someone would need to breach GDPR laws for you and probably get sacked as a result.

But sense you. welcome a law suit. Go for it, I'm sure the legal profession will be happy to take your money.

Rosalinda Eyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120687072#Comment_120687072

Well it would be taxed, but I'd have paid less. I forget the exact details. And that's pretty much what embezzlement is... as in I pointed out what they were doing and it continued in spite of them knowing it was my money.

You do realise I'm not with them anymore. How could I get fired if I'm not with them anymore?

[Deleted User]

I would not be looking to shame them. I would be sending the relevant finding, of the successful portion of the case, to the local union rep. It is their role to take this up (literally what they are paid for)

That way you are not publicly being vindictive and still looking out for your former colleagues

Wanderer2010

Can you not just move on with your life and put it down to a bad experience? You won the case, you were validated in your complaint. Your next company is going to have problems too, as well as the company after that.

All you lose is your money and mental health. These companies couldnt care less about you.

AnRothar

Can you please link the WRC decision?

10pennymixup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120686860#Comment_120686860

I've heard of the Streisand effect, is that the same?

Others have advised you to be careful about defamation and they are correct to warn you to take care. In a personal (don't know about a company) defamation, if the other party can prove your actions malicious and that they have suffered loss as a result of those actions then yes you can lose a defamation case, no matter how true the statements made were.

I know this sounds incredible but blame TV shows for people thinking differently.

[Deleted User]

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120687101#Comment_120687101

Five days delay in payment doesn’t impact your tax liability.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120687576#Comment_120687576

Very much so and just because something is correct does not give you the right to use it to deliberately use it to defame someone causing actual financial loss. And even when you do win the court can take the view that it was frivolous behaviour and not award costs.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120687101#Comment_120687101

So now the first statement is not true and the second one is factually incorrect - embezzlement is a criminal offence and you don't get to define it, especially if you start accusing someone of committing it.

timetogo1

I wouldn't bother shaming the company. I'd move on.

But I would send the details of the outcome of the case, what steps you took to take the case and who assisted you to any friends / colleagues that you might have in the company. Up to them to do with that info what they will.

3DataModem

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120686860#Comment_120686860

Its the Streisand effect.

A few saying "if he got it I should" might cost them a few quid, but you said its a small amount of money so would they really care? And that is not really "shaming" them BTW. Getting their name in the papers, or sending the document to their customers. Or suppliers. That'll shame them, but also get them to get an injunction out against you.

I think the flush of anger you feel will eventually pass. Do what I did, go work for a competitor and help put them out of business. 😀

Deeec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120686860#Comment_120686860

Look Rosalinda. You won and got compensated - isnt that enough. It is a really small world and you really do not want to tar yourself as being a 'problem employee' that no employer wants to hire. You fought your battle and won and well done for that but it would be incredibly stupid to go any further and try and drag other employees into your battle and bitterness. It is very unfair that anyone that brings a case to the WRC could actually be damaging themselves rather than the company they work/worked for but thats the reality. An employee who runs to the WRC with problems previously is not attractive to any potential employer and yes this persons name does tend to get out. Its advisable for your own sake not to go any further with this.

Just move on with your life Rosalinda and dont give your old job another thought.

NewClareman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120688940#Comment_120688940

@op The above advice is spot on, just let it go. Ireland is a very small jobs market and you really don't want to get a reputation as a troublemaker.

Best of luck...

2smiggy

OP sounds like a pain for any employers. If I looked at your CV and checked on past employment, there would be zero chance I would have anything to do with you.

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120689275#Comment_120689275

Well these days you don't even need to do a background check yourself. There are plenty of agencies staffed by ex-police and military that do that kind of stuff for a living and they are usually far more detailed than what you'd do yourself and it only costs a couple of hundred Euro.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120683208#Comment_120683208

Wow, you're one of those bitter ones aren't you. Rather than the faux apology, you could have just deleted your rude comment before publihing.

Your post was long and uninteresting, so it was easy to miss something you said. Funny when people can't write something to hold everyone's attention and then gets snarky when asked a question.

my advice is to move on. You'll gain nothing good from sticking the boot in. And let's be honest, you wouldn't be doing it for the benefit of your ex-colleagues, because you were pretty clear in how you think of them in your OP. They weren't blessed with your superior intellect.

I've taken an ex-employer to the wrc. It was a single complaint and I won. I did it it for me. I could have convinced a few colleagues to do the same, but I got the result I wanted and anything more would have been spite. I never looked back and I am glad I didn't. Not long after, the company collapsed due to poor management.

Wanderer2010

Move on OP. If you want revenge as the famous saying goes, then dig two graves as you will destroy yourself in the attempt to destroy your workplace, who have likely totally forgotten you. You took an action, you won. Take it for what it was and move forward in your life.

Also, dont ever expect others to behave the way you would like then to. Thats a one way street to disappointment and misery.

[Deleted User]

Am strangely pleased that you are looking to get revenge as well as compensation.

Social media a good place to start, how about contacting some journalists too, local and national?

Companies, bad ones, get away with all sorts of nefarious behaviour because people are afraid of being seen as a troublemaker by potential employers. Glad to see that’s not stopping you.

Former Former Former

The answer is to flood your social media with gloating posts and links to the WRC decision, while tagging your former employer in these posts. Go on to LinkedIn and you can probably tag some of the individual managers as well. Start a WhatsApp group with any former colleagues you are in touch with and do likewise.

You'll never work a day in your life again and you'll probably end up being sued, but that's the answer.

AnRothar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120951379#Comment_120951379

I have already asked to OP to link the WRC decision.

But they have yet to do so.

I would be concerned it may not all be in their favour.