Was there explosions or was what was actually heard was the dam breaking
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It would've been recorded before, but the dam break won't change anything he says.
Ukraine will be militarily prepaired for the possibility of the dam breaching.
Ukraine has been warning for months about the dam.
https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1665935357366489089?s=20
Seems the Russians closed the sluice gates previous. Forcing water to build up.
It's been closed for months going by reports to the point water was flowing over the dam regularly
How much is NATO involved in the planning and coordination etc in Ukraine?
Would countries such as Turkey have high up people in NATO?
Would there be possibility for leaks etc from countries that aren’t fully behind Ukraine yet are in NATO?
I don't understand?
Could countries in NATO such as Turkey who aren’t really as vocal against Russia as let’s say the USA, be compromised by let’s say the FSB and pass vital information to Russia.
Simple enough question.
The FSB no doubt try to infiltrate every NATO member's military and security service as well as NATO HQ itself. Not just Tirkey unfortunately: they can always get someone greedy enough to take the bait.
Of course. Anyone in NATO with sensitive operational data at all levels could, at any time, compromise data willfully or negligently. But that is true of any organization of virtually any scope. In that circumstance however multiple intelligence agencies (many of them operated by countries within NATO) all spy on each other to verify intelligence and intercept the leaking of information (MI6, CIA, Interpol, Five Eyes, etc.). I mean this has been going on since what, the world wars, because someone can always defect, or have loose lips, you need to know what they know. For example, didn't the Allies let some Axis naval attacks get carried out so that we didn't leak, through logical deduction, that we had cracked their Enigma machines? The US Intelligence system would know what the information was that was shared for example, and through its world wide network of 'cables' if that information had found its way on opposing channels like in Russia, that would probably trigger a whole series of steps to deduce who the source of the leak was. TLDR, of course they could - at their own peril.
Water pressure is only dependent on height, not volume.
oh it definitely changes calculus during the catastrophic failure. I'm sure anyone standing nearby calculating the bernoulli equation for that was swept away by a freight train of water, and a freight train after that, and that, and that, and that, and - that momentum adds to the maths.
The initial pressure on a weak point would be a static problem. That momentum only becomes part of it when all that water gets moving after a breach. Once it gets started you don't want to be in the way.
'Can not say' is different to 'Do not know'
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quite a climbdown from it was definitely russia
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Are we moving to checkmate here? Yesterday the dam, tomorrow a nuclear power plant or at least the threat of such action to call a truce of some description?
More like a desperate last attempt at the Ukrainian's 'king'. Russia hoping they make a blunder and don't sweep them off the board.
I certainly read/ heard reports yesterday that there was an audible explosion in that time period, heard at distance. Haven't time to look back and find where I read it but noted on Euronews last night that the report stated that the dam was blown up. You'd think there'd be CCTV in the general area that would confirm this.
Reports this morning that residents on the Russian controlled side were getting a hard time fleeing due to suspicions of Russian checkpoints. But hard to know the truth in all this, also reported that the Russians had been evacuating the areas for a while and 'resettling' the people elsewhere, presumably at the point of a gun.
It was more a question for debate and discussion than something I had thought through or have a strong view on, so thanks for the reply.
My own view is that the Russians will continue to destabilise as much internal infrastructure as possible, and quite possibly such that, nuclear reactors are impacted greatly but without a “direct hit” , thus Putin can claim it wasn’t his doing. It also ties up an awful lot of manpower to deal with such incidents
Its clear ground battles aren’t achieving desired outcomes- displacing as many Ukrainians and making vast areas un-navigable is an obvious option, including actions that destabilise nuclear reactors - I think it would be mad to discount this possibility as Putin at this stage is obviously quite mad.
There is no Russian side of the river.
You don’t even have to look at Russian papers- look at the comments in the daily mail- tons of high thanked comments clearly believing it was Ukraines doing.
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Futhermore, didn't they previously lay claim to both sides of the river there as forever part of the Russian Federation? They even had a totally legitimate referendum on the subject.
A bit like Tyrion Lanister in GoT, who passed on a different piece of disinformation to each member of the council to see which one found its way to Cersei, thus telling him who the snitch was.
Blowing the Nuclear plant would bring the hammer down on Putin. No way central European countries would not respond with military force when nuclear fallout starts rendering their agricultural sector useless.
Does anyone really trust american intelligence anyway?
The dam was blown by Ukrainians
Oh wait there be a conclusive piece of evidence deliberately delayed as the evil Kerminal denials get more like its a John deere not a leopard 2.
This war crime goes all the way to putler who needs to be helfired like many Isis leaders before him.
Looks like Prigozhin was right about Ukraine making an advance in Berkhivka.
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