Yeah, Leinster used it about 10 years ago under Joe Schmidt for the first time.
I doubt there is very little new new stuff out there, it's all slight variations on a theme.
Something comes up in the video analysis that tells you a team might be vulnerable or susceptible to something, and you put a few plays in place that week in case an opportunity presents itself. Sheehan's try in the first minute of the European Cup Final another perfect example of that; obviously someone had spotted the gap Skelton leaves in the lineout like that, and Conan and Sheehan executed it perfectly.
I think I saw a video somewhere (can't remember where), the Keenan try was not a new play, Ireland had used it before. Though the previous occasion was Rob Kearney, and he was tackled rather than making a break, so maybe we can still count it as new.
I've no doubt that if Leinster had POM, Beirne or even if Ryan had not gotten injured, they'd have contested some of the line outs. It got a bit ridiculous just giving LAR free ball every time.
Going into the tournament, lots being written about our gameplan being figured and planned against, but not enough discussion about our defense. I think that's the single biggest positive going into the tournament. Teams can scheme to shut down our attack, but to date no one has shown an effective way to attack us. NZ have probably done best there, but that was mostly due to individual moments of skill than structured success. Likewise France.
Leinster defended the LAR maul quite well, but attacking zero lineouts meant they just didn't have to worry about that aspect at all.
You have to get up at least some of the time I think.
Anyway, SA are the closest thing to LAR on the international stage but they're still not the same. While I have zero interest in discussing or rehashing the final, Leinster were their own worst enemies at a lot of times which I don't think happens with a smattering of other leaders in the tea. I don't think there is a lot to worry about there.
Teams aren't afraid of lineouts, they're afraid of mauls.
Why would any team with Ryan, Beirne, POM and Doris be afraid of lineouts?
I don't think a team should abandon kicking because they messed up a series of important kicks. They need to make sure that doesn't happen again, by working even more on their exits.
I'd have the opposite view. Leinster erred by not contesting lineouts at all. Whether that was due to the loss of Ryan, or the outright strategy, it was a mistake. Ireland had one of the best defensive lineouts this past year. An agressive kicking game is critical at the top level
I don’t think its possible for an international team to ‘play like la rochelle’ after one camp. However, i think south africa could get really good at kick pressure again in one camp.
The only two things I’d really internalize from leinster is to reduce lineouts (keep the ball in play even off exits as much as possible) and run the ball back off long kicks. Don’t get into kick battles.
You don’t have to be larochelle in phase play to do those things.
Munster should have won that game by much more. I think there are probably things that could be learned.
Generally teams are in camp for long enough that lots of new stuff emerges for the WC, whether it's stuff being spared for it or just new work that develops in a longer camp. We always see new moves and game plans emerge at the WC, often to Ireland's dismay. And I didn't suggest that munster showed LaR how to deal with Leinster, if anything its the other way around. LaR broke Leinster 3 years in a row, for me Leinster are to LaR what Clermont were to Leinster 10 years ago. At least Leinster scored tries this time. And honestly, I feel Leinster being unable to get past their own well known limitations for so long actually works in Ireland's favour. Munster lads coming into camp with some momentum is a good thing for me, plus an understanding that there is always someone waiting in the long grass.
The idea that national coaches are holding onto 'moves' a year before a competition just seems completely beyond belief for me.
Why?
The idea that national coaches are holding onto 'moves' a year before a competition just seems completely beyond belief for me. It's a nice narrative for Eddie Jones to hold after a couple of disastrous years though.
Munster didn't reveal to LAR how to beat Leinster, LAR managed it all by themselves the two years prior.
Ireland had no new plays in the 6N? Well, there was this.
There were a couple of other lovely scores from preplanned moves, like Sheehan against England.
The Leinster thing is nonsense because Leinster aren't Ireland, and Ireland aren't playing La Rochelle.
Yeah, I remember lots of people on here waiting for Joe's bag of tricks to appear. But nothing new in the 6n was interesting and I'd argue that Munster did a job on Leinster's game plan, maybe not with the first choice team but the plan was the same and it did reveal what's needed to beat it, as LAR did the following week. Ireland are a far superior team to Leinster tho.
My inadequacy
Jenkins got called up in October. It was his first time being called up in 4 years. And since then Snyman has returned.
They now have the likes of Etzebeth, Snyman, Lood de Jager, and Mostert to select, so I don't expect Jenkins to get back in (and his form has suffered since October).
Our 4th/5th choice lock isn't competing to get past, say, Mostert, is my point.
Jenkins is a backup. Moloney for me
Ryan is pivotal.
For perspective Jenkins gets picked for the SA squad. If Ireland had to choose between Jenkins and Kleyn who would you pick? If Jenkins is good enough to get into the SA squad then I'm sure Kleyn is also.
it likely means Farrell et al have a few tricks up their sleeve that we haven't seen.
Have heard that before. He's a bit obsessed with the idea that teams/people are building up to secretly unleash plays and plans at the world cup - he thought England were perfectly set for it under Jones! I don't think history much backs it up.
Also Munster didn't negate Leinster's gameplan, they just didn't really play the proper Leinster team. Not sure the result means much.
Squidge makes an interesting point in a new video on Ireland's WC prospects. No new plays in evidence during the 6N and, given how LaR and Munster negated Leinster's game plan, he argues that it's significant because it likely means Farrell et al have a few tricks up their sleeve that we haven't seen.
I suppose in many ways language and meaning are subjective things...
Was there a winner?🛀
Pics?
I was just playing with myself in the shower.
Playmaker.
You have now.
I genuinely don’t think I’ve ever heard of jackalling / turnovers referred to as playmaking by anybody else before.
You might disagree but it doesn't make you right, I think playmaking is widely understood to mean creative / decision making players in attack
Disagree. How many tries are are scored from jackling/ turnovers. Its not always fancy stuff.
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