I don't understand?
How much is NATO involved in the planning and coordination etc in Ukraine?
Would countries such as Turkey have high up people in NATO?
Would there be possibility for leaks etc from countries that aren’t fully behind Ukraine yet are in NATO?
It's been closed for months going by reports to the point water was flowing over the dam regularly
Seems the Russians closed the sluice gates previous. Forcing water to build up.
Ukraine has been warning for months about the dam.
https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1665935357366489089?s=20
It would've been recorded before, but the dam break won't change anything he says.
Ukraine will be militarily prepaired for the possibility of the dam breaching.
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Was there explosions or was what was actually heard was the dam breaking
And it just happened to fail in the early hours of the morning, in and around the time of increasing Ukrainian attacks on Russian positions. Give us a break, nobody is gullible enough surely to take that at face value. Are they? Never mind reports of explosion heard in the region at the time.
Take the propaganda to the Russian embassy here and stuff it up the ambassadors arse.
Very interesting timing.
If you want to stay with yourself head off
i haven't wathed that, but is it before or after the dam break?
Good long interview here with Mark Hertling, Jonathan Fink is a really good interviewer.
Earlier in the day iirc NBC reported White House did know and was undergoing process to declassify. Potential is they know but could not reveal how they knew, so officially they don’t know. You know?
This would be a serious own goal by the Ukrainians if true
No Serbian. Washing machines and indoor plumbing where unlike in Russia, are in plentiful supply. The Serbs toured the waste and scrap metal yards collecting anything that could be repurposed and used as false decoys. Recycling at its finest !!! They were expert at it too, building their decoys in forests etc, and camouflaging them.
America is sayings they cannot conclusively say who did it ,,,,,
No real surprise there
Just saw on Sky News that cia knew of Ukrainian plan to attack pipeline. US had intelligence of Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream project -Washington Post | Reuters
Thank you for your considered response and not referring to my "ignorance".
To me when there was the news of Ukrainian armed forces active recently on the eastern bank of the Dnipro it seemed it could be a plausible move by the Ukrainians to take the moskovyte held side of the dam and use it as a crossing point for their armoured vehicles to make a larger scale attack on the moskovytes in the area. The destruction of the dam when it looks to be the start of the counteroffensive by the forces of Ukraine points to it being a deliberate effort by the moskovytes to make the option of using the dam structure as a way to get heavy equipment across the river impossible. Since it was well known that the structure had been rigged with explosives by the moskovytes I think Ukraine will have made plans to work around this move but the fact so many posters on this thread are still swallowing the moskovyte line that it was the Ukrainians or some sort of accident is surprising.
Except this event is directly related to the war.
It seems to have breached in 2 seperate parts of the dam, on the spillway and in the pump house section. Thats why I'm thinking it was no accident or knock on from previous hits.
The size of the reservoir doesn't really change the pressure on the dam. The depth of the water is largely what increases the pressure. A shallow breach wouldn't be subject to as much pressure as a deep one.
The biggest "whodunnits" of the war, so far, have been the destruction of the Nordstream pipeline and the bombing of the Kerch bridge. I don't recall the US Intelligence services trying to pin either of those on Russian immediately afterwards. Should they do that now then I reckon they'll have the receipts.
Yes, but it was still holding until yesterday, that's more than 8 mths, and while it may ultimately have collapsed as a result of the Himars strike you mentioned, they were not the cause of it collapsing now.
Yes some of the dam still exists, but now its a non-functioning dam. About one third of it is physically destroyed.
If Ukraine blew up the dam, either it was a stray missile that hit it by accident (unlikely given the level and accuracy of the damage) or they would be admitting to it as part of the counter offensive strategy.
In the absence of both of those, the most likely culprit is russia.
My heavy bet would be on russia in some ill fated scorched earth policy.
Well if US intelligence is calling it as the Russian's that did this then it must be true.
In Serbia during the Kosovo crisis, this actually happened. I met a farmer who put his harvester into the shed, but the delivery chute was too high and was sticking out, and NATO dropped a bomb on it. They blew up many washing machines and lengths of plastic piping, with small heaters in them to give the impression of a hot engine, and the whole lot covered in camouflage netting.
Or not at all ,as we've seen previously with American intelligence,
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