No dam expert here but will give it a whirl. I think this has a lock that goes from left to right or right to left. So the pressure of water behind it keeps it tight closed May go up or down another option. The lock it's self will be nowhere near as thick as the dam wall and this probably was taken into consideration on construction in catastrophic failure the lock goes not the dam wall. Explosive wise you don't need very much to take out the lock water does not like to compress transfers huge amounts of energy.
Russia: we are destroying Leopard 2 tanks.
Reality: Ermmmm, that's a combine harvester.
I heard of his doubles but this is going too far!
Ehh.. you are using my username when replying to other posters.. have a reread of this reply thread
You seem to be seeing posts from me when I don't even make them!
And anyone spouting that it may have been a accident is either a victim of spreading Russian propaganda or is a Russian propagandist themselves. Its quite clear it was deliberate. Increase water levels behind the dam, then blow it up to cause maximum damage to slow down the counter offensive.
The Russians are starting to see Leopards everywhere.
Good thread on our own Vatniks
Its quite clear it was deliberate. Increase water levels behind the dam, then blow it up
Its not like record water levels (in addition to previous shell and rocket strikes) could compromise the structure of the dam..
Combine harvesters are symbols of western imperialism, NATO forced the Ukrainian farmers to use them against their will instead of good honest sickles
It wasn't an accident. It was the Russians. There's nothing to even debate here. It's like Trump's stolen election claims: everyone with an interest in the facts knows it's not true, the other idiots can't be reached anyway.
Which is absolutely irrelevant to the dam and the war in Ukrainian. Take your anti environmentalist rants to the appropriate thread
Russian military bloggers were literally bragging about blowing the dam in the early hours of this morning before word reached them from their Kremlin paymasters that they were supposed to deny it.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
If it's a war crime, and Russians are denying it, the Russians have committed another war crime.
Dam not destroyed, like if you destroyed the dam instantaneously, I assume 90%+ would die, as well as forests, all buildings flattened downstream given the forces. Obviously not great but hopefully not many fatalities.
All animals in the Nova Kakhovka's zoo, except for birds, killed. very sad.
Comrades going to comrade.
your ignorance and assumptions don't change the fact the dam is destroyed.
They're edgy contrarians. I'm not necessarily knocking being an edgy contrarian - I may even have some of those views myself in certain matters - but it appears that part of the Russian operation to destabilise Western democracy throughout the 2010s was to identify these people and give them a voice or even invite them to Moscow and schmooze them up, making them unconsciously sympathetic towards Russia. They could then go on RT and recite their spiel to a Western audience of contrarian-minded people and say things which sowed FUD in the minds of the public. Wallace and Daly have leaned so far left, now, that they've ended up accidentally going hard right on Russia.
Here's a before (Sunday) and after (Monday) composite of the damage to the Kakhovka dam.
Or have a look at the slider image in this article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/visual-guide-collapse-ukraine-nova-kakhovka-dam
I'm not sure what your definition of "destroyed" is, or what you think the dam was (it's not one of those massive concrete walls in a deep valley like the Hoover Dam), but a substantial part of it is very clearly not there any more.
Baghdad Bob lives again
This is very sad. Best thing for other living creatures on the earth would be if humans were just wiped out. We put them in cages for our entertainment then drown them in our stupid wars and they've no choice in any of it
Don't make me tap your own sign
Just seen a report from the area claiming penetration of moskovyte defensive lines on the flanks of Bakhmut:
Here’s a thought.
Rumor was for the past week, that today would be the day the big offensive would start. What if, that date was put out there to see if the Russians would show their hand and being the dimwits that they are, they did? Perhaps they took that date as the truth, and then pulled this evil crap with the dam?
Could blowing the dam all they really had as an answer to the counteroffensive? That they know well if the AFU make a breakthrough, that they are toast? I honestly don’t think they have a working nuke anymore. Blowing the dam was their «nuke», turing that power plant into a ticking timebomb is their «nuke».
This country run by remedial bell-ends can barely maintain or reproduce 40 year old kit, and vandalising actual countries is really all they’ve got left. Pathetic really, hope they are kicked out of Ukraine soon.
Ukrainian blogger Ivan Yakovina (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1sCkX0qDwk&t=371) puts forward a theory that the dam burst semi-accidentally a) because of the previous damage by Russians back in November, b) Russians wanted to raise the water level to release more water when the Ukrainian forces try to cross Dnipro, and c) there were no reports of any massive explosions yesterday/today. The raised level of water might have put too much strain on the already damaged dam.
Mea Culpa,Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa, Timmy. You are right. I was replying to Kermits post :
In order to believe the Ukranians you have to believe the Russians did this to anger and deprive what they see as their own populations of drinking water, no less.
That's a tall order.
And I replied that basically, Putin does not give a damn about anyone, not even his own citizens, and theres no such thing as a Tall Order for him. But somewhere along the line, the train jumped the tracks. Old age creeping up ( only its now stopped creeping, it galloping !!! )
Again, apologies,
Jim.
So needlessly aggressive, the dam is not destroyed in my opinion, it will reach some equilibrium, there will still be higher levels of water on one side of the dam that the other. you are ignorant of the definition of "destoyed". A dam will still exist.
This is more than likely the case ,it was reported water was recently spilling over the top of the dam recently which suggests that the reservoir was over full which likely put a lot of pressure on the dam itself, pumps breaking could have made the noise of small explosion in a small enough space ,
We know know exactly what happened until long after the war ,
But he who controls the narrative controls the story so far the Ukrainans are doing the better job
That actually makes a lot of sense to me. Just look back at how the dam's collapse progressed, it seems to have failed in multiple places independently. That would indicate a structure that was already weakened by previous damage, with the increase in the water level behind the dam being enough to trigger the collapse. The sheer size of the reservoir and the resulting pressure must have been immense. Granted, the dam wasn't the highest, but the lake was still massive: 205 kilometers long, and up to 20 kilometers wide in some places. that's a lot of water, and once that finds a weak point, it's only a question of time.
Which does not explain the report about Russians placing explosive's on it last October, and explosions were heard before it collapsed. All dams are designed to cope with extra high levels of water, and routinely control the levels by opening the sluice gates. Its regularly done in Ardnacrusha to control water levels on the Shannon.
Not the dam that was engineered, it is destroyed, lives have been lost. I don't know why you think the silt at the bottom of the river accumulating at the mouth of the breach will constitute a dam. What a ridiculous hill (sorry, dam) to die on. Have at it.
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