Got in a fight with a lawnmower is the same thing as leopards ate your face then.
I'll say again, if you want to pedantically dissemble the semantics of the destroyed remains of the dam, I'll leave you to it nonplussed.
Guess we may learn more, sooner than expected.
Ukraine literally admitted to performing three HIMARS missile strikes on a flood gate as a 'test'. This occurred around Oct 24.
“There were moments when we turned off their supply lines completely, and they still managed to build crossings,” Kovalchuk said. “They managed to replenish ammunition. … It was very difficult.”
Kovalchuk considered flooding the river. The Ukrainians, he said, even conducted a test strike with a HIMARS launcher on one of the floodgates at the Nova Kakhovka dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the Dnieper’s water could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages.
The test was a success, Kovalchuk said, but the step remained a last resort. He held off.
Source
It is a dead end talking about how dams work or what they can 'cope' with because this refers to healthy dams. This was not a healthy dam, critical apparatus were shelled and hit with missiles. Go shoot some missiles at Ardnacrusha and then tell me how easy it is to control the water levels.
If they're not scorching earth, they're flooding it. Whether by explosion or negligence, it is entirely Russia's fault. Had they not invaded, the dam would still be intact.
Would there be such a thing as a John Deere Leopard? (Asking for a friend.)
Its not a hill, I am trying to ascertain the situation in good faith but objectively. You seem to be emotionally charged, don't blame me. It's still a war crime, if that's what you are looking for.
Beau talks all the dam angles
Not the dam that was engineered, it is destroyed, lives have been lost. I don't know why you think the silt at the bottom of the river accumulating at the mouth of the breach will constitute a dam. What a ridiculous hill (sorry, dam) to die on. Have at it.
Which does not explain the report about Russians placing explosive's on it last October, and explosions were heard before it collapsed. All dams are designed to cope with extra high levels of water, and routinely control the levels by opening the sluice gates. Its regularly done in Ardnacrusha to control water levels on the Shannon.
That actually makes a lot of sense to me. Just look back at how the dam's collapse progressed, it seems to have failed in multiple places independently. That would indicate a structure that was already weakened by previous damage, with the increase in the water level behind the dam being enough to trigger the collapse. The sheer size of the reservoir and the resulting pressure must have been immense. Granted, the dam wasn't the highest, but the lake was still massive: 205 kilometers long, and up to 20 kilometers wide in some places. that's a lot of water, and once that finds a weak point, it's only a question of time.
This is more than likely the case ,it was reported water was recently spilling over the top of the dam recently which suggests that the reservoir was over full which likely put a lot of pressure on the dam itself, pumps breaking could have made the noise of small explosion in a small enough space ,
We know know exactly what happened until long after the war ,
But he who controls the narrative controls the story so far the Ukrainans are doing the better job
So needlessly aggressive, the dam is not destroyed in my opinion, it will reach some equilibrium, there will still be higher levels of water on one side of the dam that the other. you are ignorant of the definition of "destoyed". A dam will still exist.
Mea Culpa,Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa, Timmy. You are right. I was replying to Kermits post :
In order to believe the Ukranians you have to believe the Russians did this to anger and deprive what they see as their own populations of drinking water, no less.
That's a tall order.
And I replied that basically, Putin does not give a damn about anyone, not even his own citizens, and theres no such thing as a Tall Order for him. But somewhere along the line, the train jumped the tracks. Old age creeping up ( only its now stopped creeping, it galloping !!! )
Again, apologies,
Jim.
Ukrainian blogger Ivan Yakovina (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1sCkX0qDwk&t=371) puts forward a theory that the dam burst semi-accidentally a) because of the previous damage by Russians back in November, b) Russians wanted to raise the water level to release more water when the Ukrainian forces try to cross Dnipro, and c) there were no reports of any massive explosions yesterday/today. The raised level of water might have put too much strain on the already damaged dam.
Here’s a thought.
Rumor was for the past week, that today would be the day the big offensive would start. What if, that date was put out there to see if the Russians would show their hand and being the dimwits that they are, they did? Perhaps they took that date as the truth, and then pulled this evil crap with the dam?
Could blowing the dam all they really had as an answer to the counteroffensive? That they know well if the AFU make a breakthrough, that they are toast? I honestly don’t think they have a working nuke anymore. Blowing the dam was their «nuke», turing that power plant into a ticking timebomb is their «nuke».
This country run by remedial bell-ends can barely maintain or reproduce 40 year old kit, and vandalising actual countries is really all they’ve got left. Pathetic really, hope they are kicked out of Ukraine soon.
Just seen a report from the area claiming penetration of moskovyte defensive lines on the flanks of Bakhmut:
Don't make me tap your own sign
This is very sad. Best thing for other living creatures on the earth would be if humans were just wiped out. We put them in cages for our entertainment then drown them in our stupid wars and they've no choice in any of it
Baghdad Bob lives again
Here's a before (Sunday) and after (Monday) composite of the damage to the Kakhovka dam.
Or have a look at the slider image in this article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/visual-guide-collapse-ukraine-nova-kakhovka-dam
I'm not sure what your definition of "destroyed" is, or what you think the dam was (it's not one of those massive concrete walls in a deep valley like the Hoover Dam), but a substantial part of it is very clearly not there any more.
They're edgy contrarians. I'm not necessarily knocking being an edgy contrarian - I may even have some of those views myself in certain matters - but it appears that part of the Russian operation to destabilise Western democracy throughout the 2010s was to identify these people and give them a voice or even invite them to Moscow and schmooze them up, making them unconsciously sympathetic towards Russia. They could then go on RT and recite their spiel to a Western audience of contrarian-minded people and say things which sowed FUD in the minds of the public. Wallace and Daly have leaned so far left, now, that they've ended up accidentally going hard right on Russia.
your ignorance and assumptions don't change the fact the dam is destroyed.
Comrades going to comrade.
All animals in the Nova Kakhovka's zoo, except for birds, killed. very sad.
Dam not destroyed, like if you destroyed the dam instantaneously, I assume 90%+ would die, as well as forests, all buildings flattened downstream given the forces. Obviously not great but hopefully not many fatalities.
Russian military bloggers were literally bragging about blowing the dam in the early hours of this morning before word reached them from their Kremlin paymasters that they were supposed to deny it.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.
If it's a war crime, and Russians are denying it, the Russians have committed another war crime.
Which is absolutely irrelevant to the dam and the war in Ukrainian. Take your anti environmentalist rants to the appropriate thread
It wasn't an accident. It was the Russians. There's nothing to even debate here. It's like Trump's stolen election claims: everyone with an interest in the facts knows it's not true, the other idiots can't be reached anyway.
Combine harvesters are symbols of western imperialism, NATO forced the Ukrainian farmers to use them against their will instead of good honest sickles
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