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I'd say they were fairly disappointed with their showing. They never really got into it at all, even when leading early on, Monaghan were still on top.
Watched bits of the minors earlier, well beaten by a better team
I don't think that is ground-breaking insight. It was already a given that speedy half backs are required if trying the running game against the blanket.
But it takes more than speed. You need a half back that has confidence to really want the ball in that type of a situation. You can see some players make a half-ass attempt around the goals to call for the ball - the type of call where they want to be seen to be looking for it, but in reality they don't want the responsibilities that go with it. I don't just mean Mayo by the way.
That half-back would also need to be be proficient in terms of kicking a point from 30 yards out, and under a bit of pressure. If the half back is breaking the line, and taking a pass, a lot of the time they will end up out around 30 meters out, with opposition closing in on them. They will need to be able to compose themselves and quickly kick accurately for a score, like what Paddy Durkin did when he came on on Sunday. That is far easier said than done of course. And if they are not going to shoot, they need massive composure to lay off a pass to a teammate in better position, when they are about to be surrounded by the defenders.
I think the above rules out Sam Callinan from that. I think he is too young and inexperienced for taking on those responsibilities, and would get dispossessed. Enda Hession has developed at it in the last while, and is a lot more confident on the ball. At least he would ask some questions of defenders. Paddy Durkin is the man alright - he has the appropriate tools to carry out that role.
There were many times on Sunday where Aidan was making the run from the oppositions goal out towards the ball, and holding off the defender on him. An outlet would be to dink it into him - it would only be a 25 yard pass or so. Or even better, if it was kicked in properly and purposefully, he could take a mark. But every time the player with the ball would put the head down, and play it back out again for the lateral passing across the '45. Not enough use is made of the mark to beat the blanket.
I think you have to mix it tbh. if they break down on an attack be able to attack at speed or be able to hit long fast ball, switch play fast accross to the other side, guys who can kick from distance etc. I don't think one tactic works accross the board.
What kills a team trying to break the defensive systems is slow play and lateral hand passing accross the pitch with no threat. Miss a few shots for scores and the whole issue is componded, start making bad decisions around taking the ball into the tackle, dropped balls for the runners off the shoulder etc. This gives defensive teams belief that they can win. Louth on sunday know they were never good enough so deployed this tactic and bring you down to that level. It really tests your drive to win, resolve etc.
Anthony moyles made an interesting point on OTB, that you need speed in the half back line when you're up against a blanket defence, people to break the line. Would be worth considering a HB line of Durcan, Hession and Callinan
Without wishing to go too off topic, I think the main redevelopment was in the Ennis Rd terrace area about 15-20 years ago
My point was that the Mackey Stand is a shambles so a bit of investment wouldn't go astray. If it's not lashing rain the open stand is way better and about €10 cheaper a ticket for big games
My experience of the Mackey stand is that the elevation isn't good and there are some poles but the noise that can be generated in there is something else.
See Mayo v Cork in 2017 and Mayo v Galway in 2019.
JP has nothing to do with that stand. The new seated area accross the way was build 15-20 years ago but they could not get planning for a stand there
All that's missing is the concrete benches 🫤
The design of the Mackey Stand is appalling...JP poured millions into the stadium a few years back but neglected to add any elevation to the stand.
And it's cold in there no matter what the weather so layer up
Poles restricting views... Practically a home game so.
Well fuppit anyway....a Mayo game on my doorstep but I'll be in France for it 🙈
Anyway I guess most people are familiar with the place after recent visits but feel free to fire questions my way.
I'd advise parking in the Jetland, and if the weather is anyway half decent head for the open stand...been at a bunch of games this year and the Mackey Stand is not a good place to watch a match from...poles restricting views and if someone over 6ft sits in the row in front, you won't see a thing.
Was in the open stand for the Lim v Cork game the other week and it was a zillion times better
Limerick is a fair enough location although I doubt it'll be a great atmosphere in such a big stadium
There was a few Cork lads giving it the bitter “I hope ye f*ckers are thrashed next day out” etc etc as I was leaving that day. Almost as if they were goading lads to react. And they weren’t young lads either. As toxic as I have seen from opposing supporters. Nearly as bad as some of our lads leaving the same venue 3 years earlier.
Apologise for leading y'all down the Tullamore rabbit hole, blame Willie Joe. I see Kildare Roscommon is going to be there, thought that might be the other leg of the 'double header', certainly makes more sense as the venue for that clash.
Limerick is a more logical venue for Cork-Mayo, although it obviously suits them better...
I didn't mean that in a negative way, there are indeed very few forwards in the country that can do it. It just that we don't have one.
I get the impression that McStay is less about the stats / gives the players a bit more encouragement and freedom. So I don't think it's a fear thing. I think it's something we need to put the work in on in terms of patterns of play.
We do need to open teams up but running into a good blanket defense doesn't work all that often, not if they're doing it right. Some teams have shown how you can (hand or short kick) pass into a packed defence and unlock it. Derry did it very well at the weekend where they overloaded one side, got the ball in close to goal and then switched to the other side where there was space created... We weren't making those kind of movements at all. It was over and back the 45 for far too long.
Limerick it is, Kerry Louth is in O'Moore Park. Both are 2 pm kickoff.
Looks like the TV games on the Sunday will be Mayo/Cork and Galway/Armagh at 4 pm
There was a brilliant atmosphere in the GG in 2017 v Cork and there was only 10k at it (all from Mayo)
One of the best atmospheres I remember with Mayo!
I'd be happy with any of Ennis,Limerick or Tullamore.
There are not many footballers who can bang a ball over the bar from distance. I think others are afraid they will have this in their stats if they miss. Its all about possession now and getting the correct man in the correct position to fire it over the bar. Its all calculated risk now and this is starting to make the game very disappointing to watch. The crack Louth were at... well that is another level and I hope they never win anything playing that rubbish.
Paddy Durcan came in and basically fired over a shot after taking on two/three guys. He had enough of this pissing around with the ball(some call it lateral playing!!), well that is what I took from what he did. We need to open teams who play this game early on to make them play ball. Carr's pass to Oshea was dreadful and it would have opened up the game if O'Shea nailed it.
I expect Cork to play something similiar but not as negative. We always struggle with Cork so I think this game is not a formality. I must admit and I thought his day was done, but O'Shea has been brilliant todate, but the real football comes from once we get to the last eight. I wouldn't be overall concerned with our display last sunday as it would be harder to get excited about Louth and the heat of the day would be energy sapping.
Apparently having flags up (which they tend to be up all year around) is “hype” too.
You hear those digs all the time in fairness. During the league was bizarre. We win a game and the first question McStay gets asked afterwards is how can a lid be kept on everything?! Moyles on off the ball every week was saying the same thing about Mayo need to be careful about getting carried away.
Nobody can give an example of this hype however!
Then we lose to Roscommon and apparently their manager reckons they were being disrespected beforehand! It's mad the nonsense people will make up.
Petty snide remark
coached Meath and a few others. He made alot of sense on the podcast, except for that comment on hype which was like something a 12 year old would say in the early 90s. Its as dead as "Meath never give up"
The 4 Cork supporters will be grand, they'll all be coming in the same car
Think it was the first podcast of theirs that I gave up on half way through.
apparently jersey launches are hype according to the lad.
that podcast is good at times but it’s starting to sound like the one of lads are taking themselves awful serious, they seem to have a very high view of their own opinions at times.
Genuine question - who is Colm McNally. I did a quick google. I saw his name popping up in a few hits, but no background on who he played for.
I don't see any hype. I see ups after some nice wins, and then downs after a bad performance, and then ups again and so. And a nice excitement building, as the Championship progresses. At this stage, we all know that if Mayo get a win or a draw against Cork, they will top the group. And that will bring us straight into the last 8. It's not hype, It's jut hope and excitement. Nothing wrong with that .
Listened to half of the Ah Ref pod over the weekend, yer man Colm McNally is some bluffer:
"what advice would you have for Mayo this weekend"
"I think they should just get rid of the hype"
Lord Jesus, it's the kind of shite Spillane would have come out with 20 years ago and it was pure scutter even back then 🤣
When is venue being announced?
Ennis would be great, small tight venue with a full house, be a good atmosphere but no it'll be Limerick with a half empty stadium or worse
I'd have expected it to be in Ennis, that's where we've usually played Cork and even a glance at the map shows it as being roughly halfway. The smaller ground there would make for a much better atmosphere than having it in Limerick
