What's up here.....
Protected urea substance abuse catching up. 🤣
Ah only codding...
I heard the same 🤔
happened to me in march, cows got really bad scour and no temp. luckily I had cow manager and it picked it up quick. 99% a sure it was nitrogen poisoning. Cows were on a diet in march but with the fine weather in march i locked them out for a night. big mistake. took them off grass for 2 days and they settled down after 5 days
Probably more upset digestive system than N poisoning? Be surprised how grass could be high in N in early March?
We introduce grass slowly. No problems appear until grass approaches 50% of daily diet…then all kinds of upsets start to appear if you transition too quickly. Could never understand why ye fire them out to grass at every available opportunity without thinking of proper transitioning between diets. Then again mine would be coming off a maize based diet so I could be completely wrong.
Fine weather in March ??
I put any money there’s a link with all those cases, more than likely a boatload of raw ingredient.
Any grain coming out of ukraine to Ireland would be ropey to say the least re mycotoxins, I'd say the levels of testing is a paper ticking excerise at best to
I do the same as I am a winter producer. They were just in a paddock that got slurry and urea in February and early march. Normally I spread slurry and then urea after first grazing but think this particular paddock got both. it was end of march
Have had cows out nearly all spring and highest urea reading I've had is 22.5, so doubt it was any N poisoning. Be more inclined to agree with a boatload of bad feed theory
Well I wouldn't. Cold night plus locked out of tmr ,(my own fault) was the reason . Cutting out the grass and putting extra dry matter in the diet had them recovering quick. I never changed the feed except took out the grass for 2 days. I could see the change on their rumination straight away after taking out the grass. Without cow manager I wouldn't have spotted it as I saw only clinical signs in 2 or 3 cows while 30 of them were effected if not more. No cows dried themselves off and they bounced back really quick.
I'd agree the conditions underfoot the wet weather the cold wind and the general fact that grass was **** this spring made it essential for buffering of some description
Chatting nutrionist this morning and it's winter dysentery that's the issue, was 80 dairygold suppliers hit with it last week, was going around at Xmas time and had settled down but theirs after been a huge explosion of cases the last month, anecdotal story he had was a man down in limerick that he works with imported 3 holstein cows from the UK back at Xmas and shortly after every animal in the place got it, expect those 3 cows, apparently once a cow gets it she has 3 years immunity from it again.....
Ai man is the biggest danger coming into yards now re it spreading
Their must be a nailed on reduction scheme coming when you see this as front page news....
You'll have to submit a figure per cows that you'd be happy with as compensation and if it low enough you'll get into the scheme
A fixed rate per litre would be a better option, makes no sense that a 8000 litre cow is treated the same as a 4000 litre cow
What if in a really low input system, the 4000l cow is as profitable as the 8000l in a high input system?
I often thought about a system of running a OAD herd calving from mid Feb and an earlier dry off in early nov. Nearly all production from grass. This has the potential to be a low low cost system.
I'm not coming at it from that angle, a 500 cow 4000 litre herd could technically reduce by 300 cows at 3k a cow, will get a 900k payout, then they can sell the remaining 200 4000 litre cows and replace them with 200, 8000 litre cows....
In a quota type reduction scenario, if the above herd reduced by 300 cows their available production liters would be capped at 800k on the remaining 200 cows left, and they couldn't pull a fast one by upping liters on their remaining cow quota
Companies will have to be excluded for this to work or else what stopping someone selling and just setting up another company in a spouse's name and going again.
I vaguely remember the journal and teagasc thought the same, with glanbia cheer-leading it, for their own agenda, it didn't work out great
Not as low as you think or as low as the cost of production imo
Your assuming an 8000l cow is more profitable than a 4000l cow.
May not be the case.
I'm assuming the scheme will be a golden goose for some farmers with a lower yielding cow who will be payed to reduce numbers but can simply up yield per cow to compensate while a high production herd after already getting loaded with a 106kg n/ha banding penalty now gets hit again if the reduction scheme is simply on cow numbers cut and not liters
I’ve given up telling my a.I to do his boots upon arrival. Some vets are also very bad. Had one vet back the years that didn’t even wash the boots going away. Read the f ing sign after I paid for it.
Given TB valuations are based off a banding system, Nitrates are based off a banding system, I’d imagine this scheme will also be a banding system. Per litre is too complicated for our pretty little heads I guess.
Then again the quota type reduction scheme may suit a lot of people too with limited facilities while allowing them to keep milking with a payment. That would be what you’d call the opposite of a retirement scheme.
I was with a neighbor a few years ago helping with a cow that sounds like yours though she lived for a few days but was eating and her belly swelled up massive.
He opened her up in the knackery and fluid nearly flooded the place. He found a piece of wire an inch long had pierced the stomach and poisoned her.
I don't know in your case. Very disappointing. Anyway once it stays outside the dwelling house door, things are fine.
Ya that is 100% true Older. Thanks for the reply.
Sold off 83% of cows last year and now I’m buying back quite a lot of cows of late.
Three cars and 6 dept officials arrived at 7 this morning for an unannounced inspection. I presume that buying in cows has triggered it. They’re bound to find something anyhow!
I'm actually impressed that they didn't bring 6 cars to get the mileage money like the Irish would.
They’re out with binoculars now checking ear tags.
One wonders.
What's the thinking their, with poor grain prices is it better to put the feed into cows instead of selling it?
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