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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    Michelin did it as well, Clermont in France was built around the Michelin factory, houses apartments clubs pubs social clubs cinemas etc etc,

    Pod Living will be the way of the future mark my words,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,901 ✭✭✭BBM77


    You are not seriously saying Cadbury's or the Quakers model from two hundred years ago is something we should be doing today? When companies own the homes of employees the company has implicit control of the lives of the employees and their families outside of work. Cadbury's and the Quakers forced many rules on their employees that today would be considered very controlling of peoples personal choices. It my not be explicitly written down anywhere but people living in houses owned by their employer would feel obliged to work longer and follow the companies world view not their own. That is not a model for accommodation most people today would find acceptable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,760 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    funnily enough, you ll find the large scale privatisation of our property markets is in fact the main reason why we are where we are with it, as this has simply induced widescale speculation in our markets, resulting in such, there is evidence in other well developed countries, a more state lead approach leads to far more stable markets, singapore etc, this is more than likely where we need to go with it, but will we!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    And when they are liiving in company houses we could pay them with company money which can only be spent in the company shop? It all becomes too incentuous. It can create imbalance in a local economy as we saw with Waterford Glass. The answer is simple, build more houses and apartments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    Google have spent €300m redeveloping the historic Bolands Mill sight in Dublin which includes everything from apartments to retail, restaurants and leisure facilities. They specifically set aside a number of properties at a lower rent for people who provide services in the area like a baker or someone in the fire service.

    On the other side of Dublin the Guinness' have provided a couple of thousand affordable social properties. I think they have big plans to do more in the coming years on the James's Gate site.

    A company down in Kerry have also built houses on land they own in recent years.

    It's not uncommon for a company to throw in access to house or apartment for a year or two into the package when hiring someone. I've had that myself, as have others I know.

    Loads of examples of companies getting involved in residential development, albeit at a lower scale to the likes of Guinness and Cadbury's.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,901 ✭✭✭BBM77


    Sure Google is well known to give "perks" that are designed to get people to give over more of their life and time to the company.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭micknail


    Where a planning application is made in respect of any land or structure, and a subsequent application is made within 6 months from the date of making the first application in respect of land substantially consisting of the site or part of the site to which the first application relates, the Site Notice shall be inscribed or printed in indelible ink on a yellow background and affixed on rigid, durable material and be secured against damage from bad weather and other causes.



    Did anyone see the new application for the 45 house development at ballinakill?

    Their last failed app was in December, and the latest dated 6th April, however I'm only seeing the signs up today (20th April).

    Going by the above statement, should the site notices be in yellow??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    If they should be in yellow and as it sounds like you are considering making an objection then take pictures of the signs immediately and I would imagine that the planning sop will be deemed null and void



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    For God's sake, are you really going to be that guy?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭micknail


    What do you mean.

    Which rules do you think they should comply with?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    The Council planning department should be able to answer your technical query, and they'll be delighted to have your assistance on the ground there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭micknail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    Frisby Construction has started the first phase of a new build next to Foxwood, 100 new houses will be going in there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭Jerry Atrick


    When are city Council going to admit the absolute pigs ear they've made of traffic in the city and suburbs. Quay, Lombard St, Park Road all unusable at present. Going in via city and ballybricken is a complete farce with one ways etc. They have made an absolute mess of the city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    How has this got anything to do with ‘new developments’……are you suggesting that the ‘traffic issues’ puts off developers/ developments…?

    Unless your destination is on one of the streets you mention then you shouldn’t be using / on these streets….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭Jerry Atrick


    I wasn't aware you could only use roads if your destination was on them...silly me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭914


    Please tell me of anyway time when the Quay, Lombard St and Park Road was free flowing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭Jerry Atrick




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    You are more than entitled to Sit in traffic on choked up streets such as the quay Lombard street, etc but if you are not going to a shop/business/destination on the streets and you value your time then you are a Buffon as there are alternative routes you can take that are not ‘choked’.

    Post edited by Asdfgh2020 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,901 ✭✭✭BBM77


    You are sure writing rubbish there fella! I go and come from Ballybricken frequently and the new one streets make the journey much easier. If I had my way I’d make a lot more of the city one way. Traffic would move better and it would be safer for cyclists.

    Using the Barrack St end of Mayors Walk for example. I’d really love for you to explain how you think it was better before it became one way?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭Jerry Atrick


    Care to enlighten me as to the other routes please?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭Jerry Atrick


    One swallow doesn't make a summer fella. There's a complete lack of accountability from council...I would hazard a guess that the persons making these critical decisions do not have the acumen to make them. They have completely choked the city with traffic, funnelling everything one way down the Quay which has been constricted beyond belief.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,901 ✭✭✭BBM77


    Well you said "Going in via city and ballybricken is a complete farce with one ways etc." You are eluding above now that the one way is good. Which is it?

    I agree with you the Quays are a big issue. But the problem is there is no bridge down river and the bypass is not being used to the extent it could be. These are the key to Waterford traffic problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    There are very two vey obvious ones, depending of course on where you are originating from….one will cost you €2 the other is free……..😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭Jerry Atrick


    The bypass is not an option for most...it's a major inconvenience doing an extra 10k to circle the city



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭Jerry Atrick


    So you can't enlighten me...just snipe from the sidelines



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭GandhiwasfromBallyfermot


    From the hospital to the start of the M9 Motorway is actually only 7km longer by going via the bypass instead of the quays and at the moment google maps is saying its 8 minutes faster to go via the bypass, so not an inconvenience.

    If you're destination is in town though and you're not trying to get through it then most of the traffic can be missed by parking in Lombard Street, Waterside, Millers Marsh, Ballybricken etc depending on what side you're coming in from and walking the rest of the way into town. I find all the council car parks good value too and very handy to use with the App.

    And for people with mobility issues who can't walk in from these places, if the people who are capable of walking did so, then the roads in town would be freed up for the people who actually need to use them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭Finnbar01




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭914


    Yes. I was a delivery driver around Waterford from 2000-2010 and it was as bad as it is now, if fact it was 100 times worse until the bypass was built.

    I remember often been stuck in traffic out as far as the top of WIT and traffic bumper to bumper from there to the bridge hotel.

    The same from the top of the upper yellow road all the down to bridge st.

    From bridge st all the way up to Norris's corner.

    Finally the bridge hotel all the way back to Newtown

    So yes I remember the traffic being far worse and guess what the Quays had four lanes then.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,423 ✭✭✭914


    Tell me the solution.

    Let me guess "four lanes on the Quay" and open up Barronstrand Street?

    I am honestly interested to hear your solution.



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