What does several tons of up armoured humvee look like after crashing
A bit like this, maybe
Not an up armoured one that wasn't hit by other vehicles first
Nothing to see here.
So they decided to gently roll into the ditch and not disturb any soil on the way.🙄
My mistake, it’s clearly not a cheap propoganda fake.
They put a lot more effort into it than your claiming it nonsense, if they were hit by an airstrike there would be;
a) Substantial damage to the vehicles
b) still movement into those positions, there is still force at play.
This is clearly staged.
Prigozhin nails it here:
I wonder what's his next move.
If likely wasn't an airstrike it more than Likely was vehicle trap,there is some damage to both humvee but not from an airstrike and the damage done to the building behind suggests some kind of battle damage,
Not buying Mr tow trucks assessment that they were flown in from Iran or Afghanistan to be staged like that
Looks like we might get incursions into Belarus via ukraine.... With a little encouragement from Poland...
Lads this is pathetic stuff this raid had absolutely no military value whatsoever they took a couple of villages for 24 hours before being completely routed and running away back to Ukraine leaving behind many dead and lots of equipment. A stupid piece of armed propaganda to deflect away from the defeat in Bahkmut. This will be shown all over Russian media as proof that the Ukrainians are terrorists and that the valiant Russian army is protecting its people from same.
The video was likely staged for news reports no doubt.
But the vehicles flown from afghanistan just to be staged? lol conspiracy theories gone wild
There is drone footage and videos made by insurgents showing those vehicles in use in the area
And the staged video does show they control the checkpoint once more on the border - gives some credence to claim that militants were "repelled" (on that axis at least, no videos yet from southern 3 reported crossings)
It's a classic shaping manoeuvre that forces Russia to re-evaluate it's current policy of leaving it's borders under-manned. Any reinforcements of those borders are at best going to have to be taken out from Ukraine and at worst, will be unavailable to reinforce units currently occupying Ukrainian territory.
It takes a lot more manpower and equipment to defend a long border (see below, until now Russia has only had to worry about defending the section of that border with the green line) than it does for pro-Ukrainian forces to provision a light infantry raiding force and any successes of the Free Russia Legion and the Russian Volunteer Corps may even embolden other Russians who currently see resistance as futile to take action.
Russia's only possible escalation at this stage is nuclear war and they're not going there since it would be suicide.
Daly and Wallace cannot see ( or don't want to see) the forest on account of the tree's.
Thanks for the Kremlin update, Comrade. And now the weather with Gatling.
Very interesting points. We've heard a lot about how this invasion has only led to the expansion of NATO on Russia's borders despite that being used as a pretext for the invasion. This is the first time I have seen anyone point out that the Demilitarization of Ukraine, as a pretext has also spectacularly back-fired. He's right too. Even going back to before the invasions in 2014 - I heard on a podcast recently that the UAF at that time only had a few thousand active servicemen. That grew rapidly from that year on after the initial invasions and absolutely exploded in growth since the full on invasion.
Nobody has done more for the militarization of Ukraine than Vladimir Putin.
If several tons of armour plated vehicle hits the side of your house, you may need a new house, but not a new armour plated vehicle. The two vehicles shown were hit by explosives in one form or another.
Comrade?? **** hell I'm dealing with a real genius here. Care to explain how this raid was anything other than a bloody pointless failure?
Correct if Putin wanted to win this war he should have invaded Ukraine properly in 2014 the Minsk accords were all about buying Ukraine time and its worked brilliantly. Putin's actions have pretty much guaranteed that Ukraine will be both an EU and NATO member in 10-20 years. What they are fighting for now is just how much of the Ukrainian state will be left to go into the EU and NATO.
Do you think Russia will continue to leave its border and towns defenceless against further raids? Will it have to assign forces to protect it? Or keep back a reserve to respond more quickly next time?
And that will mean less troops actually fighting in Ukraine.
Sleepy has already explained, in some detail, a few posts above.
He Also came out and said the F16 training had already began only for the Americans to come out and say no it hasn't.
Safe to say that this is Likely not true or no where near the number he claimed
Russia has approximately 2 million reservists I'm sure it'll draw a border protection force from them. This raid was conducted by a couple of hundred men at most the forces are nowhere near large enough to achieve anything. These missions are close to suicide missions no air cover completely at the mercy of Russian air power they were routed in 24 hours. How many people are going to keep volunteering for these missions?
I understand the propaganda value behind it and no doubt that side of it has been a success but is that worth wasting lives on?
Clip from Daly's appearance the other day. She's campist-splaining to an actual Ukrainian refugee....
Fantastic article and serious kudos to the journalist, I've not read such "in the trenches" war reportage since Michael Herr's "Dispatches".
Russia has 2 million reservists just sitting around really that could be sent to the front but haven't?
Sure they do.
Also, we don't know how many casualties were actually taken by the raiding force as opposed to what Russia claims.
Currently cloudy with the possibility of light misty rain
diversionary attack
Definitions of diversionary attack
An attack wherein a force attacks, or threatens to attack, a target other than the main target for the purpose of drawing enemy defenses away from the main effort. See also demonstration.
Examples from history:
Waterloo 1815. Napoleon launched an initial attack against the chateau on Wellington's right in order to draw reserves away from the allied cantre. (Unsuccessful)
Chancellorsville 1863: Lee launched ongoing demonstrations against Hooker's Union forces to keep them from noticing the large scale flank attack that was coming. (Successful)
Normandy 1944: The German response to the landings was delayed because of Hitler's conviction that the Normandy operation was a feint and the real attack was still to come.
You don't understand the point. The effort is wasted if it's based on a false initial assumption.
I'm all for debunking and I have no doubt many photos released by Russia are fake/misleading. But if you want to debunk things, do it properly.
In this particular case he has started with the premise that the vehicles were moving, and then all his debunking follows this. "If they drove into the crater it would look like such and such". It's a false initial assumption, he seems to have just invented it.
Russia released a video showing a substantial airstrike on stationary parked humvees outside a building. So all the stuff about "if it had driven into the crater it would leave tyre marks" etc is nonsense, and pointless. If you want to debunk their photo you need to go back and re-do it from the start. Does it look consistent with a large airstrike on stationary vehicles?
https://imgur.com/WA9NOJw
And every man sent to protect the border is one less man that can be sent to Ukraine (if not actually deployed from there). Simple maths. Less Russians in Ukraine makes it easier to liberate.
The men in the first raid chose their entry point perfectly: protected on one flank by a river meant their retreat back across the border could be carried out relatively easily. Yes, I'm sure lives have been lost on this activity but they've also managed to:
In a war where thousands of infantry have been sacrificed at Bakhmut in order to grind down multiples of their own losses from the Russians, equipping some Russian born soldiers with light arms and a few vehicles to carry out these raids seems a relatively cheap win.
The Bahkmut story has been under the microscope since day one, it has been analyzed, dissected and discussed to the very end. There is no attempts being made by Ukraine to deflect or deny, or distort it. If anything, it point's to the heroic resistance put up by the UA in the face of almost insurmountable odd's. They are Hero's. As for this Commando type incursion, it will have value, Putin and his inner circle will be terrified by it, and especially as these kind of attack's are increasing, and not being stopped by the Russians. Bring them on, on multiple fronts, hitting them harder and deeper each time!!!
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