If being an unaligned country with a large army is no deterrent to Putin's ambitions is it time for ROI to join Nato?
Comments on a journal story 😂😂😂
General election within 1 year, 10 months.
Convince the public to drop neutrality, while denying a referendum on the issue, and winning an election. 😆😆😆
surprised this wasn't mentioned
Ireland joined the CCDCOE
NATO Cooperative Cyber Defence Centre of Excellence during the week
CCDCOE
Say it ain't so......
But , but, but
non-NATO members
Austria - neutral
Australia
Ireland - neutral
Japan - only allowed "Self-Defense Forces"
South Korea
Sweden - neutral
Switzerland - neutral
Ukraine - didn't stop the invasion, so maybe it's not same as being in NATO ?
Good move for Ireland with regard to our cyber defenses especially given the Russians attack on the HSE not so long ago.
Looks to be something like the EU cybersecurity agency, enisa, which we've already been actual full members of for some time now.
Seems trivial, observer status of another alphabet soup bureaucracy, but still beware of Micheal trying to gradually nudge us out of our neutrality.
Time is on our side, once the Ukraine thing is over theyll have no boogieman to point to as a reason to join. So theyll be pushing their nato agenda hard for the next while, while theres still some level of panic, ignorance and hype.
No political party is seeking for Ireland to join NATO.
But we do have a positive relationship with them, just as Japan and Korea and Australia do and we need access to some of their expertise to tackle the onerous task of catching up our national defence apparatus, after decades and decades of under-investment and rot.
The decision to end a UN Security Council veto over whether or not we deploy our Defence Forces overseas is also long overdue and a new 'double-lock' of Cabinet decision and Dáil majority vote is exactly what any sovereign nation should have for itself.
Micheál Martin isn't trying to end Ireland's military non-alignment (we are not neutral, never have been), what he is doing, is taking the relatively courageous step of being a senior Irish politician and acknowledging that military non-alignment requires significant investment and robust policy to go it alone. And make no mistake, if things were to go proper bad in a hurry, we would be very much on our own.
And those are all the facts we need to begin acknowledging, as a grown up Republic.
But its not a fact that we'd be on our own. All of the EU countries would be with us.
But they are mostly Nato members
Militarily? Would they now?
And your evidence for this assertion is what precisely?
So what?
Multiple billions of every variety of aid sent to a non-EU member.
Our membership of EU common defense.
The huge economic interest of the EU in Ireland.
The damaging precedent which a non-response would establish.
A statement Sweden and Finland have huge faith in
Because they are keeping putin and his Orc's contained in Ukraine,and the international community let the Ukrainans down in 2014 this is fixing that wrong
We're not ukraine
And Denmark had such huge faith in nato that they joined EU common defense.
That was only for technical reasons nothing to do with not having faith in Nato besides they have serious military capabilities unlike us with not a lot of anything
We're not Ukraine?
Holy shyte. Who knew.
Is it not the same orcs who would be supposedly attacking us?
Like the rest of the EU?
They already have in the cyber attack on the HSE and currently the authoritarian regime in Russia's invasion of Ukraine is costing us billions in having to give refuge to the 80,000 odd Ukrainians currently in Ireland which is having a knock on effect on tourism costing us more there with bed shortages as a result for tourists. So the Russian dictatorship already have and as I type this the Russian dictatorship are costing us significantly financially.
And our response is contained in the greater EU response.
And our cyber security is first served by the EU cyber security policy.
Anyhow, it seems the Triple Lock is to be dumped, which is a great thing
Well at least your admitting that the authoritarian dictatorship in Russia has already cyber attacked our HSE. But not surprisingly ignoring the fact that the Russian dictatorships invasion of Ukraine is costing us significant financial damage due to the billions we are losing from taking in the 80,000 odd Ukrainian refugees and the loss of hotel beds for our tourism industry. All of which show that we need to develop a legitimate defense, security and intelligence capability so that we can not just defend ourselves but play our part in defending the democratic free and open societies of which we are part of and the collective that is the EU from which we benefit enormously.
What is this 'at least you admit' silliness.
Can you not accept simple facts like an adult.
We are taking a great deal of refugees at great expense, and our response to Russia causing this cost to us is to join in with the rest of the EU in hammering Russia with sanctions while sending huge aid to Ukraine.
We are net contributors to the EU, and we send a great many millions in aid to Ukraine, while taking in many refugees. We're doing our part and we're part of a great team, the EU. Nato can go and shyte.
Love your projection there with your second sentence. Good stuff. Your last line is very adult too I must say.
No question as members of the collective that is the EU we are playing a very positive role in supporting Ukraine within the EU. That though has little bearing on being a member of NATO or not or our own defense, security and intelligence capabilities.
I never said we should join NATO either so save your adult responses for yourself on that one. What I said was we have to develop a legitimate defense, security and intelligence capability so that we can play our role in defending the democratic free and open societies of which we are part rather then being the current spongers in that regard that we are.
Of course being an EU member absolutely has a major bearing on any question about joining nato. As well as a bearing on our defense, security and intelligence capabilities.
How could you possibly think otherwise.
And why are you telling me that we need to develop our own capabilities? Have you seen me say we shouldnt?
Calling us spongers is yet another fail. As net contributors to the EU, and as a nation which has sent considerable material aid to Ukraines fight against Russia its plainly ignorant to come out with such drivel.
What considerable aid
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/bc7ca-irelands-international-response-to-the-war-in-ukraine/
https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2023/05/19/irish-troops-return-from-first-training-mission-for-ukranian-forces/
https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2022/09/24/ireland-has-given-55m-in-military-aid-to-ukraine/
That's not substantial by any means
Whos to say.
