those clowns acted on their own accord.
False.
Those clowns were directed to do these things, by him. At least we can agree…that they were Clowns
Yes I live in America and during the reigns of 7 presidents. The proof of Trumps economic success is in my pocket as I live here.
Obama started wars in Libya, Yemen and Syria thus flooding Europe with refugees to this day. Yes G W Bush started the wars in Iraq & Alfghanistan and was stupid to do so. Trump said so himself when he was running for Office.
The fact remains that Trump started no wars regardless of what you think he was feeling & thinking. As for the Nobel Prize why didn't Obama turn it down and recommend it to someone more deserving?
If you think Biden is fighting for democracy then you must be having a laugh. America is making money out of this war as it always does through the Military Industrial Complex which was actually started up by the Democrat Party. For the record I am neither a member of both Parties but a registered Independant Voter.
He did not do any of those things otherwise he would have been arrested for Treason.
The proof is in your pocket? lol
The proof to the contrary is everywhere else, Independant Trumper. 🤣
Where does it actually that he told or ordered them to seize the Capitol?
Here you are.
O my Lord lol...you do realize that Covid was a cause for the drop in employment don't you?
Disengenuous as ever.
Feb 2020, I wonder what happened then to cause all these job losses ?
Hmm whatever could it have been.
The first paragraph of that article
During the first three years of Donald Trump’s presidency, the economy did quite well. The unemployment rate hit a 50-year low, income growth doubled, and the economic expansion he inherited grew into the longest in American history.
So its fair to say but for Covid happening, the 4th year of his office would have been just as good.
You cannot indict a sitting president, so your pigeonhole doesn't apply.
Again where does he actually say for them to seize the Capitol?
Ok then why hasn't he been tried for Treason since? Fact is he did not order anyone to seize the Capitol.
Covid.....
The jobs situation does not matter to a Trumper, in fact if there are unemployed it makes it easier to find workers that will not demand higher pay, they will be grateful for a job. Provided the Trumper has wealth and guns the rest of the population can go to hell. And if Trump works for these people (after himself of course), then he is worth re-electing.
Prosecutions take time. Just what do you think Jack Smith's team might be investigating?
Another Independent just like yourself Overheal.
Fact is he did not order anyone to seize the Capitol.
A lie Independant Trumpers tell themselves. Selecting red herrings out as their 'alternative facts'
Ok then why hasn't he been tried for Treason since?
He's currently under multiple criminal investigations, including by US special counsel. Those he told to "fight like hell" and "march on the capitol" and all the other coded language for seizing the capitol and stalling the Electoral Count to trigger a pseudo-legal coup, have pleaded or been found guilty of seditious conspiracy.
They don't really care about their own economic prospects thought. For the Trumpsters, it's all about owning the libs.
Now that their syphilitic, tangerine idol is yesterday's news, they're reduced to constantly regurgitating the same drivel over and over again.
He made the country disastrously vulnerable to COVID, he singlehandedly tanked the economy and attempted a coup when America's broken electoral system failed to hand him a second undeserved win.
Found the trigger point.
None of this snivelry obliviates the obvious, that Trumps jobs performance record is the worst since herbert hoover. He claimed to be a job creator but he left office with millions fewer jobs than when he came in to office. There's no excuse for it. This is why you don't send a con man to the White House, he was clearly never ready for a national emergency. All of this efforts to turn the stock market into a glass cannon really showed their cracks as soon as there was any disruption, and what a disruption it was. You just can't build a good economy on stock buybacks and tax and regulatory slashing. It sure did con a lot of their voters into believing the house of cards was going great there, "muh 401k etc." but lo and behold, there wasn't a single year of >3% GDP growth anywhere in Trump's term - which was the bare minimum Republicans pledged to provide the economy during their 2016 campaign cycle, as an attack on Obama. Trump promised double that. But his tax cuts never generated that growth, because that's not how the economy works.
That's not what he wrote. "Independant" lol I digress.
I make no hiding of the fact for intents and purposes you may think of me of a 'never Trumper' if it suits you. Not afraid to show my spots, you?
True, but his lack of leadership and slow response to the pandemic led to a much worse economic outcome than what other nations experienced.
No you are not being objective and are ignoring Covid.
Again from that article you quoted
For comparison purposes, Fortune annualized the job gain rates under all the past leaders since Reagan. During Obama’s eight years at the helm of the nation, U.S. employment maintained a 1% annualized return. That growth level did start to climb during the Trump years; as of February 2020 employment was increasing on a 1.5% annualized basis during his presidency.
So for the first 3 years of his term, his job numbers were very good.
To not factor in Covid as a reason for the huge job losses is not critical thinking.
It was absolutely factored into my post if you and the Trumpers bothered to read it.
There's no excuse for it. This is why you don't send a con man to the White House, he was clearly never ready for a national emergency. All of this efforts to turn the stock market into a glass cannon really showed their cracks as soon as there was any disruption, and what a disruption it was. You just can't build a good economy on stock buybacks and tax and regulatory slashing. It sure did con a lot of their voters into believing the house of cards was going great there, "muh 401k etc." but lo and behold, there wasn't a single year of >3% GDP growth anywhere in Trump's term - which was the bare minimum Republicans pledged to provide the economy during their 2016 campaign cycle, as an attack on Obama. Trump promised double that. But his tax cuts never generated that growth, because that's not how the economy works.
3 years of hiring people to shuffle deck chairs on the Titanic doesn't eliminate the iceberg. And you wouldn't hire that captain again.
He claimed to be a job creator but he left office with millions fewer jobs than when he came in to office. There's no excuse for it.
Yes, there is - it's called the COVID-19 pandemic.
The fact that you want only to focus on the Start Point and an End Point of a presidency, ignoring the factors of what happens within the 4-year period, demonstrates that you are omitting facts to falsely present the data re: Trump.
Literally digging the heels in for excuses.
Laughable.
The President of the United States is still the President of the United States in good times, or bad, and boo hoo, times were bad and he did not, as alleged, have it "totally under control." He owned it.
"For the record I am neither a member of both Parties but a registered Independant Voter."
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Up until COVID-19, you never could have made the claim you're making today. And to say that any US President could have weathered the storm without a single job loss is quite frankly absurd.
It's laughable.
And the worst lockdowns in the US were inflicted by Democrat strongholds, so if you want to talk about where the greatest job losses occurred, then perhaps you should direct your anger at Democrat states and not Donald Trump.
But if you want to blame Trump for the actions of Democrat states, that's your right - but don't pretend to be presenting objective facts here.
Interesting. So you are an American MAGA voter, and most certainly in the kind of demographic we’d expect to vote for Trump based on your possible age-range. I’m surprised you do not admit to being a registerd GOP voter, because that’s clearly how you vote, but I know that is an optional thing.
You seem to be very focused on a narrow framework of MAGA / pro-Trump taking points, usually platformed by the likes of Fox News. It’s mostly done to arm the likes of yourself with counter-arguements to argue against what I sorry to tell you are the realites of the world. Your MAGA cohorts and like-minded Boardsies here might echo what your say, or even back you up, but it does not take away from the facts that Trump has done damage while in office.
May I ask why you are debating Trump on an Irish discussion website? The other pro-Trump posters are potentially Irish, but since you’ve opened up to being American, I am curious about your arrival here. You must now see that we have a somewhat different viewpoint on Trump and the GOP over here.
Just to hold my hands up here, I may be Irish but I wouldn't support nor vote for Trump if I were an American.
But there's a kind of blind analysis here, where everything is viewed through a negative lens re: Trump. Lately, we've seen people trying to blame job losses in the US on Trump and not a global pandemic.
When that level of ridiculousness kicks in, don't be surprised when some people jump in to add clarity and balance to the discussion.
Adding that clarity doesn't make someone a "MAGA supporter", it makes someone objective about the actual facts about what happened.
A very telling fact - the strongest identifying predictor of whether someone is vaccinated, or not, is who they voted for in the presidential election. As a result, people living in counties that voted heavily for Trump during the last presidential election have been nearly three times as likely to die from COVID-19 as those who live in areas that voted for Biden. A President downplaying the seriousness of a pandemic for his own political ends has consequences - who'd of thought.
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