Its spring now.
Not just Bucha
Two Air Vice Marshalls aren't some chaps , get the feeling there experience in this absolutely trumps anyone's opinion on here by a long way
Vs a few days in a simulator
No ...its based on the officers who actually assessed the Ukranian pilots ... not some old chap from the UK
Please do try and keep up.
F16s for Romania ,
This is a pilots view who training on the F16
Even we struggle at this point, and we started enhancing and getting the F-16 like seven or eight years ago, and we’re still not yet there,” Beraczko said. “We are so close; we are wanting and willing to be there as personnel, as maintenance, as even a force.”
Romania joined the NATO Partnership for Peace in 1994 shortly after independence and became a full NATO member 10 years later. Each step was a shift to the Western way of warfare.
From trained pilots and maintainers to required infrastructure to a boneyard of spare aircraft, Romania has been working on its transition to the F-16 for nearly a decade.
Netting and improvised wire cages are used in some cases. Netting was already used for camoflauge, it was found in some cases to stop drones also, by causing them to detonate too soon, or maybe not at all depending on the fuze type. Lancets have been caught up in nets several times.
These are relatively new theats (low-weight loitering munitions, improvised quads dropping mortar rounds etc) so there is some experimentation to see how to defend against them them. You want something that can be deployed quickly.
The operators have a video feed, so if they see netting or a cage they will try to approach from a different angle.
Well apparently Zelenskiy has indicated that Russian forces now control the remaining central part they were fighting over for ages. But have Ukrainians still got positions on the flanks? But maybe it's all down to language differences. Putin is certainly waving his arms in the air and praising Wagner.
Some kind of cope cage perhaps?
The problem with these fixed nets and cages is it is immobile.
For AA and artillery that are often moved around its not the most practical to have nets and cages surrounding in every direction.
They could have nets etc in a few different locations like fixed emplacements for vehicles to drive into, but then those positions become very easy to look for and the locations of SPGs, HIMARs and mobile AA becomes predictable.
They are use nets in some cases where there is foliage to cover them , but it looks like in most cases they are in open fields ,it wouldn't take much to rig semi rigid netting over a position fairly cheap too .
I know it’s probably a stupid idea but surely something can be built to put around equipment to try help limit the damage from drones, like a cage for example?
RTE tying itself up in knots saying Bakhmut is lost....changing their headlines....
Anything more on those Norwegian F16s that you were talking about???
No I haven't moved any goal posts.
Your assessment is based off two lads in a simulation over a few days earlier in the year,
2 British air vice marshalls have already said it will take up to 2 years,
But people on here say 12 weeks+ based off.....
The same people claimed that ukraine were absolutely getting A10 warthogs,then F18s ,and now F16s in a few weeks.
It’s one poster, and I don’t blame those challenging him otherwise it becomes his personal bs show. We have lost a few really good posters here because of him.
You are moving the goalposts ... its about how long it takes for ukranian pilots to be able to operate an f16 ... And according to military personel who earlier this year actualy assessed the capability of ukranian pilots it takes about four months to train them ..
Jaysus, you're still going, lol
Logically it's totally unworkable. In Ukraine the airfields would be destroyed along with the jets. You could probably count the number of hours on two hands before they were hit.
Nonsense, Ukraine have jets and airfields functioning since the beginning and will continue to
This thread is becoming unreadable because of the back and forth BS of 2 or 3 posters any chance the mods can do a reset and ban the offenders?
This isn't a country receiving their first plane and needs engineers, runways, fuel trucks, spanners etc.... (you'll probably comment on metric vs imperial there, but that's beside the point) They are transitioning over from MIG planes to NATO planes. The runways/control towers/fuel tanks, hangers erc... will work ffs.
The ground crew would obliviously be trained along side the pilots (as evidenced by the sheer number of Ukrainians trained on the Bradly IFV's)
Generally speaking, the larger the population, the larger the army, the higher number of pilots etc...
Are you saying if Ukraine had half the population they would have the same number of servicemen/women?
**** isn't rocket science. I honestly think you're a parody account now.
I have never said, and I will correct you, nobody here said or assumes F16's will arrive in weeks, I've heard 4 months minimum (although you would get out of the argument and state 'ah sure months are made up of weeks')
You still need everything in place all of the training not just of pilots, ground crews , maintainers ,all of the infrastructure, maintaining facilities,all of the above has to take place first and foremost, doesn't matter what the population size is ,
It 31 Abrams tanks are taking over 12 +months to arrive,. explain how 50 F16s is only going to take weeks
With a population of over 40mil, it's not as daunting. There could be plenty of retired pilots that can fly their current fleet, with the most experienced (active combat) flying/training on F16's. Same for ground crew's. I'd say former countries like Poland and Slovakia who have pilots who flew Mig's and transitioned(ing) to F16's would be key to getting onboard with training Ukrainian Pilots. No need to invent the wheel if Poland had a crossover training program etc....
@Overheal a retired officer is not by definition an official, so they are unclear on what they're citing.
What's so funny.
You claimed about corroborated document was proof to back up your claim, that document was a yahoo post which by stretch of the imagination is a corroborated document to back up your claim
You cited an article about Bahrain receiving their new F16s which the deal was negotiated and signed in 2018 and how many years later before they received the first delivery,
That should actually help you,
Nobody claimed that F16s couldn't be exported to non Nato members, Egypt, Israel,Japan , south Korea, all have them moot point, that was never brought up
But no you went the route oh what would he know he's retired,
He knows a hell of a more about it than you, me or anyone else on this thread does ....
So how many weeks are you willing to stick a claim on .....
When you put it like that it's quite the task. So hundreds of trained personnel to keep 100 pilots flying 50 jet's not to mention back up pilots. Quite the task.
You’re gas.
the article you cited doesn’t specify a U.S. official but that’s what you’re citing.
There was reports of small arms fire exchanged in the area, but it could well be cook off depending on what was hit
Belgorod again
Yes, but the source is: The suspected state of health of the senior Ukrainian military figure was announced by the Russian war correspondent Andrei Rudenko on his Telegram channel today, Saturday, May 20.
They asked from 40-50 ,
5 squadrons or so, that's about 100 pilots and not including the several hundred qualified specialist maintenaners and the logistics of before you include the weapons and the infrastructure that they need to build first before any aircraft arrive
Reported on Euro Weekly News. That's why I posted, but refuted on the above link.
Sounds like you don't know much about it ,but they do how about we compare their CVs to yours??
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