By that logic, the SU-24 wouldn't be operational for the Ukrainians since last year
I'll wager it's very much on how long Draken will take get their hands on their refurbed Norwegian F-16's, with ground training supported by the Dutch.... Hydrazine is a nasty thing to work with... The Danes have the better simulator setup of all the AF's, so wouldn't be surprised if they end up there first.
Draken purchased the Dutch simulators for shipping to Europe... they are the main contractor for F-16 training to the US...
US officials have estimated that it could take 18 months for training and delivery of the jets.
That's not much to go on. And a retired officer is not by definition an official, so they are unclear on what they're citing.
Talk about Ukraine potentially getting up to 100 F16's and what not but would they even have 100 Ukrainian pilot's skilled and capable of being trained to fly? I always felt pilots would limit how many they could get. Am I misguided?
Personally I feel they'll get around 20 this year from a number of countries but come next year I'd expect that number to grow a lot. They'll need a lot more air defence systems to protect them too.
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That’s a Russian propaganda spewing Twitter account you quoted.
Yes seems to be fake
Maliar denied the fake Russians about the alleged disappearance of Zaluzhny - Ukrainian news, Politics - Oceania TOPNews.MEDIA
Any non russian sources?
Sounds like you don't know much about it ,but they do how about we compare their CVs to yours??
Reported on Euro Weekly News. That's why I posted, but refuted on the above link.
They asked from 40-50 ,
5 squadrons or so, that's about 100 pilots and not including the several hundred qualified specialist maintenaners and the logistics of before you include the weapons and the infrastructure that they need to build first before any aircraft arrive
Yes, but the source is: The suspected state of health of the senior Ukrainian military figure was announced by the Russian war correspondent Andrei Rudenko on his Telegram channel today, Saturday, May 20.
Belgorod again
There was reports of small arms fire exchanged in the area, but it could well be cook off depending on what was hit
You’re gas.
the article you cited doesn’t specify a U.S. official but that’s what you’re citing.
When you put it like that it's quite the task. So hundreds of trained personnel to keep 100 pilots flying 50 jet's not to mention back up pilots. Quite the task.
@Overheal a retired officer is not by definition an official, so they are unclear on what they're citing.
What's so funny.
You claimed about corroborated document was proof to back up your claim, that document was a yahoo post which by stretch of the imagination is a corroborated document to back up your claim
You cited an article about Bahrain receiving their new F16s which the deal was negotiated and signed in 2018 and how many years later before they received the first delivery,
That should actually help you,
Nobody claimed that F16s couldn't be exported to non Nato members, Egypt, Israel,Japan , south Korea, all have them moot point, that was never brought up
But no you went the route oh what would he know he's retired,
He knows a hell of a more about it than you, me or anyone else on this thread does ....
So how many weeks are you willing to stick a claim on .....
With a population of over 40mil, it's not as daunting. There could be plenty of retired pilots that can fly their current fleet, with the most experienced (active combat) flying/training on F16's. Same for ground crew's. I'd say former countries like Poland and Slovakia who have pilots who flew Mig's and transitioned(ing) to F16's would be key to getting onboard with training Ukrainian Pilots. No need to invent the wheel if Poland had a crossover training program etc....
You still need everything in place all of the training not just of pilots, ground crews , maintainers ,all of the infrastructure, maintaining facilities,all of the above has to take place first and foremost, doesn't matter what the population size is ,
It 31 Abrams tanks are taking over 12 +months to arrive,. explain how 50 F16s is only going to take weeks
This isn't a country receiving their first plane and needs engineers, runways, fuel trucks, spanners etc.... (you'll probably comment on metric vs imperial there, but that's beside the point) They are transitioning over from MIG planes to NATO planes. The runways/control towers/fuel tanks, hangers erc... will work ffs.
The ground crew would obliviously be trained along side the pilots (as evidenced by the sheer number of Ukrainians trained on the Bradly IFV's)
Generally speaking, the larger the population, the larger the army, the higher number of pilots etc...
Are you saying if Ukraine had half the population they would have the same number of servicemen/women?
**** isn't rocket science. I honestly think you're a parody account now.
I have never said, and I will correct you, nobody here said or assumes F16's will arrive in weeks, I've heard 4 months minimum (although you would get out of the argument and state 'ah sure months are made up of weeks')
This thread is becoming unreadable because of the back and forth BS of 2 or 3 posters any chance the mods can do a reset and ban the offenders?
Logically it's totally unworkable. In Ukraine the airfields would be destroyed along with the jets. You could probably count the number of hours on two hands before they were hit.
Nonsense, Ukraine have jets and airfields functioning since the beginning and will continue to
Jaysus, you're still going, lol
You are moving the goalposts ... its about how long it takes for ukranian pilots to be able to operate an f16 ... And according to military personel who earlier this year actualy assessed the capability of ukranian pilots it takes about four months to train them ..
It’s one poster, and I don’t blame those challenging him otherwise it becomes his personal bs show. We have lost a few really good posters here because of him.
No I haven't moved any goal posts.
Your assessment is based off two lads in a simulation over a few days earlier in the year,
2 British air vice marshalls have already said it will take up to 2 years,
But people on here say 12 weeks+ based off.....
The same people claimed that ukraine were absolutely getting A10 warthogs,then F18s ,and now F16s in a few weeks.
Anything more on those Norwegian F16s that you were talking about???
RTE tying itself up in knots saying Bakhmut is lost....changing their headlines....
I know it’s probably a stupid idea but surely something can be built to put around equipment to try help limit the damage from drones, like a cage for example?
They are use nets in some cases where there is foliage to cover them , but it looks like in most cases they are in open fields ,it wouldn't take much to rig semi rigid netting over a position fairly cheap too .
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