Any non russian sources?
Yes seems to be fake
Maliar denied the fake Russians about the alleged disappearance of Zaluzhny - Ukrainian news, Politics - Oceania TOPNews.MEDIA
That’s a Russian propaganda spewing Twitter account you quoted.
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Talk about Ukraine potentially getting up to 100 F16's and what not but would they even have 100 Ukrainian pilot's skilled and capable of being trained to fly? I always felt pilots would limit how many they could get. Am I misguided?
Personally I feel they'll get around 20 this year from a number of countries but come next year I'd expect that number to grow a lot. They'll need a lot more air defence systems to protect them too.
US officials have estimated that it could take 18 months for training and delivery of the jets.
That's not much to go on. And a retired officer is not by definition an official, so they are unclear on what they're citing.
I'll wager it's very much on how long Draken will take get their hands on their refurbed Norwegian F-16's, with ground training supported by the Dutch.... Hydrazine is a nasty thing to work with... The Danes have the better simulator setup of all the AF's, so wouldn't be surprised if they end up there first.
Draken purchased the Dutch simulators for shipping to Europe... they are the main contractor for F-16 training to the US...
By that logic, the SU-24 wouldn't be operational for the Ukrainians since last year
Just how are Russia going to destroy an airfield? Honest question.
They haven't destroyed the airstrips/roads that Ukraine are using for their Migs.
I'm aware an F16 can't just take off on any road or dirt strip (a highway, yes)
Here's Dzhokhar Dudayev a man who really understood Russia.
In 1995 the year this interview was recorded I met a bunch of Russian lads in a pub and was treated to a wonderfull lecture about how Chechens were just ungratefull Russians that needed sorting out.
They have to be stopped now or we will all pay the price.
Likely be this year sometime or early next year. Again, look at the actions that have occurred, who has said what, stop taking everything literally. When you've got always wrong kermit on your side you must be able to get the hint.
That's the 3rd time you've repeated that.
I'm not away of anyone on here saying A10's nor F18's were definitely (your word) going to Ukraine.
There was a discussion about which aircraft would suit Ukraine etc.... It was all speculation and afaik, nobody within that discussion said with any definity that Ukraine were to receive them.
Not at all what I said.
What I did say is that training won't be as long as some made out and it won't be 2+ years before they are flying over Ukranian skies.
You were wrong about many things so far in this war, and you are wrong about the F-16s up to a few days ago. Now you are trying to save face by moving the goal posts. Tut tut.
Don't know,
But I'm sure they can tell us ,
6-8 weeks lads ,or ???
More details on the training requirements needed for Ukrainian pilots.
4 months certainly seems doable.
English language aptitude seems to be a concern, but for all we know there are a bunch of Ukrainian pilots being tutored in English for the past 3 months, ready to go Training at a moment's notice.
I'd like to know where they think fighters could be based.
Logically it's totally unworkable. In Ukraine the airfields would be destroyed along with the jets. You could probably count the number of hours on two hands before they were hit.
This would be catastrophic for morale and western support.
They can't be based in another country because that would be a declaration of war.
But according to posters A10 warthogs were coming in a few weeks,
Then it was F18s in a few weeks,
Same posters f16 in a few weeks,
Without grasping the basics that it's going to take at least 2 years for western aircraft to arrive in Ukraine,
Logistics but ,but,but
The Bahrain deal Worth 12 billion was brought up,the deal was signed in 2018 and only received the first aircraft recently, there's a big clue in that one
I linked the full article he wrote,and he's the second Air Vice Marshall to say the exact same thing...
But according to mark on boards sure it's only going to be a few weeks,
2 week ?
6 weeks ?
Never?
Care to have a friendly wager?
Say 200 euro to the charity of ones choice?
Who are these? Is one of them Sean Bell, because in the video he isn't saying that.
Hopefully !
Sean Bell saying it will take at least 4 months for experienced Ukrainian fighter pilots to get trained on the F-16s.
This means there could be a small number of them flying in Ukrainian skies this year, which would be incredible if that materialised.
It's never going to happen. It's extend and pretend.
Where would the fighters be based in any case? They'll be constantly vulnerable to strikes on the ground at airfields in Ukraine.
It's all nonsense for cheap brownie points by western leaders. They know what way this is highly likely to go and that they'll never have to deliver on so called promises.
According to the experts two UK Air Vice Marshalls, training won't begin till spring.
Not a few weeks
Training to begin in the next few weeks.
Details to work out. How many F-16s will be provided, from who and how many?
Give it 8-12 weeks and those details will be sorted, and by then there should be a cohort of Ukrainian pilots being trained.
Training to take anything from 6 months - 2 years.
Won't see F-16s over Ukrainian skies in 2023, but more likely sometime 2024.
The old saying:
Whats the best time to plant a tree?
20 years ago.
Whats the second best time?
Today.
They havent said no, they just have said there is no agreement yet.
Gatling, are you still dying on the hill that Ukraine will not ever get F-16s from the West?
More than likely 2 years+ before everything is in place for them ,
Training will start next spring
Like that time they were trained on the A10 and they absolutely were definitely getting them according to people on here, followed by F18s,we do know 2 lads flew simulators for a week during the year
Wasting your time there, best ignored.
Yes some of the F16 information may be misinformation to keep Russia guessing...
Darth Putins take is sharp as usual:
Day 451 of my 3 day war. The “world’s second most powerful military” is OUTRAGED that Ukraine is getting a fighter aircraft that first flew *forty nine* YEARS ago.
I remain a master strategist.
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