I'm not so sure who said what means a lot - for all we know some Ukr. pilots may have already been trained behind the public discourse.
Ret. Vice Air Marshall Sean bell on the F16s to Ukraine, training won't start until spring and it could be 18 months or longer before any arrive in Ukraine...
Nope... literally said the other day they hadn't reached a solution
Dutch government declines comment on progress in F-16 deliveries to Ukraine | Reuters
I Believe they Said that they wouldn't be sending their F16s
"Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte has significantly walked back Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Wopke Hoekstra's comments about the possibility of Dutch F-16 fighter heading to Ukraine. Though Rutte did not necessarily rule out the possibility of such a transfer entirely, he did say that were no plans to do so currently, and that it seemed unlikely to happen in the near term.
“That is a very big step, bigger than tanks,” Rutte said in regard to the possibility of sending fighter jets to Ukraine, according to Dutch newspaper de Volkskrant. He also said that Ukrainian officials had made no specific request to the government of the Netherlands about F-16s"
They haven't said no, they said during the week a solution hadn't been agreed upon yet.
I'm sure the west have a decent idea seen as they have a Torn-MDM in the US that the Ukrainian's captured last year.
There has always been rumours that the implementation of AES256 on certain Motorola's(commercial not Governmental) was a little suspect, and were weak to side chain attacks, it will be interesting to see what comes out of the wash from it.
Most are just Motorola DMR radios with the AES256 licence, so not exactly hard to come by.
Can't be an easy job while back from the front lines your exposed with little or no protection from drones
Very interesting short on the "life" of a M777 crew hitting Ru targets
I know that the US does not recognise the ICC, but the Russians are in a totally different league.
Not quite yet, its still a work in progress, but it's moving on.
The Dutch have already said no
So your whole opinion is based of a wiki Page
Certainly Ukrainian sources speaking to the Financial Times would indicate that they have almost completed the Capture.
They must know something @Gatling doesn't.
From what I see, Norway signed a deal last November with Romania to sell 32 used F-16's to Romania.
It sold 32 F-16's to Draken International who currently have 24 F-16s on its books.
The Netherlands seem the most likely to give them F-16s, they have 24 of them, which will be replaced by the F-35 from next year.
Belgium is replacing their fleet of F-16s with F-35, with the first coming this year. From Wikipedia they have 53 F-16 in total which includes 8 trainer aircraft. 34 F-35s are on order.
So between the Dutch and Belgiums they have 77 F-16s between them, which are surplus to requirements. Add in 24 from Draken which mighe be leased or sold, you get to 100 F-16s
Of course, there are loads of F-16s around elsewhere, the US alone have 800 of them, most of them in storage not really used all that much.
It could well be the Dutch and Belgium breaking the dam in giving them F-16s with some other countries following suit as a form of a coalition like we saw with the tanks.
Will see over the next few months more details and horse trading about who gets what. Remember, the US could always give other countries some more F-35's as a way to release F-16's.
How many do ye think they need to turn the tide in the airwar?
Ukr. denied this.
Prigozhin has released a video stating Wagner’s forces have established full control over Bakhmut.
Barely a 2 km square exists in Ukrainans hands
We even refused to send about 1200 Anti tank weapons,
But this is hugely important and critical to the Ukrainan military
Good to see we’ve got something to contibute. Ireland has no Leopards or Jet Fighters to give them, but the knowledge to demine all of the occupied areas will be essential to no only the current war, but the future of a peacetime Ukraine.
Just a toe hold in Bakhmut now
Sold to draken international and the Romanian airforce ,
The Czech president has said they were looking into sending their L159 light attack aircraft , while not as sexy as the previous claimed Aircraft going to ukraine A10 definitely going according to posters on here,F18s definitely going according to posters on here , and now F16s might go but not in a few weeks or months, possibly 3 years away.
With our history it's easy to see why this is a good mission fit
The Norwegians mothballed a few last year too I think, those are likely to be in the first batch sent
Meanwhile in real news.... Irish Defense forces currently in Cyprus training Ukrainans soldiers.in EOD.
Oddly enough Reuters haven't posted anything about it
Interesting 🤔
Let's face it, the west would look pretty foolish getting US approval, then training Ukrainian pilots and not giving them F16's.
This is what the UK have said training new pilots to operate aircraft in the future not the the new few weeks or months as predicted on here,
The biggest issue there is multiple different aircraft with different training qualifications,and that before you get to the logistics and building facilities and maintenance systems for each different aircraft types,but as above none of the countries who operate mirage,f16,F18s have committed to sending any of the above the countries involved have all come out and say no we're not sending our jets ,
You talking about high complex machines that require a lot of training to operate effectively and maintaining these machines is highly complex you cant drop them in and say there you lads to go shoot down some Russians
Русский мир, Russky Mir.
It may have been hit again 🤔
Could we be seeing training of young/ not fully trained ukr pilots,
Or possibly mixed squadrons ? So a mix of older typhoons , mirage , f16s and f18 , all playing to their own strenghts rather than a one plane does everything?
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